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04-14-2012, 01:23 AM
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This ever happen? Same amateur team produces the rookie of the year twice in a row.
Depends on how much of a hard ass you are... Kane + Mason. Mason was on the Knights most of his OHL career and was traded to the Rangers and played 16 games regular season games and 5 playoff games with them in his last year in the OHL...

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too bad it's going to go to the guy who played on the Red Deer Rebels.

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Exactly!...now Oilers fans and Avs fans just need to sit back and enjoy what the LA Kings are doing to the President's trophy winners right now.
I like this idea. Whoever wins it between RNH or Landeskog, doesn't really matter. Both teams got a great young players to build around.

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Lando beats RNH. Lando is a beast, aside from points this guy is a defensive gem with 200+ hits!

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How doesn't RNH deserve it? He got the same amount of points in 20 less games. If he played the entire season he would have run away with it.
Oh how i love the "What if" stats is being used as actual stats. A little tip for ya. The calder will be handed out for ACTUAL play and stats.

Itīs like saying that "What if" Landeskog had Eberle as his linemate? He probably would have scored 40 goals and had 50 assists.

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If Landeskog does get the Calder, Kitchener's recruiting efforts will only need to consist of a phone call through a friend of a friend and the player will report.

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Oh how i love the "What if" stats is being used as actual stats. A little tip for ya. The calder will be handed out for ACTUAL play and stats.

Itīs like saying that "What if" Landeskog had Eberle as his linemate? He probably would have scored 40 goals and had 50 assists.
I agree with you. I dislike the, 'what if's' . . . and, as an RNH supporter, I hate when it gets brought up as an argument as to why he should win the Calder because it allows people to ignore the REAL reason he's the rookie of the year: he accomplished more in 62 games than anyone else did in 82. Period.

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I agree with you. I dislike the, 'what if's' . . . and, as an RNH supporter, I hate when it gets brought up as an argument as to why he should win the Calder because it allows people to ignore the REAL reason he's the rookie of the year: he accomplished more in 62 games than anyone else did in 82. Period.
False. He accomplished the same amount of points. But Landeskog trumped him in basically every other category.

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False. He accomplished the same amount of points. But Landeskog trumped him in basically every other category.
He was a better point producer, a dominant PP scorer, and his opening two months were far and away the best stretch any rookie put together this season. His defense comes closer to Landeskog's than Landeskog's offense comes to his. And by, 'every other category' you mean hits and shots, hey? Wow. Yeah, clearly that's more impressive than flirting with the top ten in league scoring into December.

Anyway, just read the article, and its pretty moronic. Landeskog should win because he had his best personal performances in March? Really? That's why they give out a rookie-of-the-month award. Calder is for best season. Almost as idiotic an argument as Elliotte Friedman saying he'd vote for Landeskog because he was the only rookie to play 82 games.

Landeskog will win it, the hype train has made that obvious. Its sad, really, that people who are paid to cover this kind of thing can't look beyond that.

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He was a better point producer, a dominant PP scorer, and his opening two months were far and away the best stretch any rookie put together this season. His defense comes closer to Landeskog's than Landeskog's offense comes to his. And by, 'every other category' you mean hits and shots, hey? Wow. Yeah, clearly that's more impressive than flirting with the top ten in league scoring into December.

Anyway, just read the article, and its pretty moronic. Landeskog should win because he had his best personal performances in March? Really? That's why they give out a rookie-of-the-month award. Calder is for best season. Almost as idiotic an argument as Elliotte Friedman saying he'd vote for Landeskog because he was the only rookie to play 82 games.

Landeskog will win it, the hype train has made that obvious. Its sad, really, that people who are paid to cover this kind of thing can't look beyond that.
Unlike Oiler fans.

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his opening two months were far and away the best stretch any rookie put together this season.
RNH: 11 goals, 16 assists in 25 GP

Landeskog: 11 goals, 13 assists in 25 GP from January 21st to March 15.

Wow, those 3 extra assists really make RNH the run away winner for having the best stretch of hockey by a rookie this season.

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RNH won the rookie of the month twice compared to lando's once

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Landeskog should definitely win. Had RNH played all 82 he'd of won but he didn't and missing 20 games should not add to a case for winning an award.

Just look at their teams records ... Colorado made a jump of 20 points this season whereas the Oilers were among the last in the league again. I know the Calder is more about individual stats but this is just a rebuttal to the poster before who claimed RNH impacted his team the most out of all the rookies. Landeskog was a key contributor on a team fighting for a playoff spot, RNH was a key contributor on a team fighting for the lottery.

The fact that Landeskog lead rookies in scoring, was used in all game situations, maintained a +20 on a team that's next highest were 11 & 3, registered 200+ hits, and lead rookies in takeaways speaks on his skill in the league - he's good offensively and defensively and proved to be the most impacting and complete rookie this season

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RNH: 11 goals, 16 assists in 25 GP

Landeskog: 11 goals, 13 assists in 25 GP from January 21st to March 15.

Wow, those 3 extra assists really make RNH the run away winner for having the best stretch of hockey by a rookie this season.
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this must be sarcastic
Check out his posting record. Either every post is sarcastic or he is one of the greatest Oiler-haters in HF history.

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Did the writer seriously put Matt Read ahead of RNH?
Yea...I...don't...the ****?

Does he even follow hockey? It's a battle between RNH/Landeskog AINEC. Furthermore, Adam Henrique has a much better case than Read.

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I see it as who has impressed me the most.

Scoring: RNH hands down. Excellent playmaking skills. Though Landeskog is clutch with 5 GWG.
Physical Play: Landeskog hands down. Strong on the puck and hits like a truck.
Defensive Play: Again Landeskog hands down. Strong PKer with smart positioning. Exceptional tbh.
Linemates: Tie. ROR had a breakout season and Eberle took his game to a new level.

Landeskog deserves it.

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Landeskog should definitely win. Had RNH played all 82 he'd of won but he didn't and missing 20 games should not add to a case for winning an award.

Just look at their teams records ... Colorado made a jump of 20 points this season whereas the Oilers were among the last in the league again. I know the Calder is more about individual stats but this is just a rebuttal to the poster before who claimed RNH impacted his team the most out of all the rookies. Landeskog was a key contributor on a team fighting for a playoff spot, RNH was a key contributor on a team fighting for the lottery.

The fact that Landeskog lead rookies in scoring, was used in all game situations, maintained a +20 on a team that's next highest were 11 & 3, registered 200+ hits, and lead rookies in takeaways speaks on his skill in the league - he's good offensively and defensively and proved to be the most impacting and complete rookie this season

so tell me why exactly missing 20 games should be held agains RNH?

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so tell me why exactly missing 20 games should be held agains RNH?
Because the what if game would also make Eric Lindros a top 5 player of all time

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so tell me why exactly missing 20 games should be held agains RNH?
Tell me why missing 20 games is suddenly an argument for a player?

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so tell me why exactly missing 20 games should be held agains RNH?
It's nothing against him personally as injuries happen to every player and are sometimes unavoidable, but by not being in the line-up he's not helping his team. Awards are based off certainty and he shouldn't take home an award based on hypotheticals and using the "injured card".

By the way, playing more games as a rookie is a benefit. That should actually help Landeskog's case as not that many rookies actually play a full season in the first place.

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Exactly!...now Oilers fans and Avs fans just need to sit back and enjoy what the LA Kings are doing to the President's trophy winners right now.
Now that is something we can all enjoy!

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Exactly!...now Oilers fans and Avs fans just need to sit back and enjoy what the LA Kings are doing to the President's trophy winners right now.
I agree with this.

Personally, I want RNH to win, but whatever happens happens. I'll settle for RNH centering our first line for years to come.

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It seems pretty apparent that Landeskog's gonna win, but I just wanted to mention that RNH is actually really good in his own end.

And about the takeaway stat, I put ZERO stock into it. I remember checking about 5 games into the season how many RNH had because he was picking guys pockets left and right. He officially had zero. Hits is the same way (though there's no way RNH outhit Lando, just pointing out the flaws of both stats).

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Tell me why missing 20 games is suddenly an argument for a player?
the only argument that arises from it, it that RNH had the same offensive production in 20 less games. this he has a higher PPG.

no what ifs, no pro rated stats, just facts

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RNH has a superior P/G average, but Gabriel had a better overall rookie season imo. More even strengh points, + 20 compared to - 2 for Ryan, 1st in rookie take aways, 1st in blocked shots by a rookie forward, 2nd in hits for rookies behind just Emelin, 1st in shots and 2nd in goals scored by a rookie. He's an absolute beast!

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