Firstly, Flyers reached the finals with BOUCHER. That means your team was pretty damn good. Second of all, bad defense? With Pronger they are a top 6 defensive club. Thirdly, they attempted to, and partly did address their goaltending woes.
The strategy is trade players while their value is highest or trade for players while their value is lowest AT ALL TIMES. This in my view, along with lots of money to spend, are the keys to Philly's rebuild/retool success.
Well it's not like they treat their players like stock options, but they ensure nobody is bigger than the team, and when a deal comes along they know how to take advantage of it. Excellent asset management, it's been the biggest difference between them and someone like us. Also a little bit of luck having guys like Couturier (and Giroux) fall to them. Also shows you that it's not about drafting in the top 5 as much as it is about opportunism.
Still, I want to see how they look against a team less defensively dysfunctional. Their D was a trainwreck all season. Conceding 3 goals in the first is going to be a lot more of an uphill battle against a team like the Bruins or Rangers.
I think what we can learn from the philly model is a lot. number 1 for me would be unbeatable is to have a GM with BALLS. I recall from road to the winter classic HBO 24/7 Holmgren saying about the richards and carter trades I don't know if this will make our team a better one, but it for sure makes it a different one. People here saying they havent won 2 cups, we know that. Even if they loose the series vs the Pens, which I doubt, the flyers can only see a bright future.
On a side note, Giroux tonight was out of this world. I would bet my house that giroux will never finish his career without lifting the stanley cup.
& Couturier containing malkin and hat-tricking common! u gotta be kidding me
I don't think the Flyers have alot to be proud of. Yes 8 goals for (on the most overrated goaltender in the league), but also 5 goals against. You will not go far in the playoffs with those numbers against. No chance they get by the Rangers, Bruins, or Devils.
We need to build from the draft. Can Grigorenko be as good as Giroux? Or Galchenyuk as good as Toews? I don't know that answer, but that's what we need them to become if we draft one of them. I think we have some interesting up and coming prospects like Gallgher, Leblanc and Kristo up front and Tinordi and Beaulieu on D, but we need to keep building.
We have our goalkeeper in Price. Watching these playoffs and other team's D has made me appreciate Subban so much more. We CAN NOT trade him. What he brings in skating, puck movement and physical play is absolutely unique.
Pacioretty is a great player too. We have a long way to go to add the depth that we need to compete with the Flyers, Pens, & Bruins.
Hopefully, our next GM is a smart guy and will work to help us get there, and not just give us more of the same.
I can't believe Couturier went 8th. Winnipeg must be kicking themselves that they went with Schiefele over Couturier.
Forget Winnipeg, how about Colombus? They would have Voracek and Couturier.
The Habs take on "The Philadelphia Model" would have been moving Price instead of Halak IMHO.
Pretty much everyone was pretty sure Price would have netted us a better, more talented return and Halak had already shown to be a good enough goalie. Maybe Price would have given us the pieces needed to beat the Bruins last year.
Had that happened, I am pretty sure this season would have been completely different.
With that said, I am glad we kept Price, not trying to start something that has already been talked to death.
There are no secrets when it comes to success in the modern day NHL. A strong, deep enough roster where everyone is accountable and a good coach will take you far. If recent history has shown us anything it is that you need strong performances from a couple of guys still on their ELC to offset some of the bigger contracts most SC winner has had. Have a bit of luck in the draft, develop your player well (this is where I feel the Habs has done the worst job the last couple of season), regularly assess your teams strenghts and weaknesses.
The Habs take on "The Philadelphia Model" would have been moving Price instead of Halak IMHO.
Pretty much everyone was pretty sure Price would have netted us a better, more talented return and Halak had already shown to be a good enough goalie. Maybe Price would have given us the pieces needed to beat the Bruins last year.
Had that happened, I am pretty sure this season would have been completely different.
With that said, I am glad we kept Price, not trying to start something that has already been talked to death.
There are no secrets when it comes to success in the modern day NHL. A strong, deep enough roster where everyone is accountable and a good coach will take you far. If recent history has shown us anything it is that you need strong performances from a couple of guys still on their ELC to offset some of the bigger contracts most SC winner has had. Have a bit of luck in the draft, develop your player well (this is where I feel the Habs has done the worst job the last couple of season), regularly assess your teams strenghts and weaknesses.
Easier said than done.
And a GM with balls. Flyers are what they are today because Holmgren did not screw around, he traded two of his best players because he felt they lacked leadership. We need a GM with the cojones to do big deals like that. Trading Price would have indeed being in that territory of tough as nails GM that's willing to do anything.
Just watching the the Flyers-Penguins Game 2. Wow I am really impress with the Flyers tonight. However, I noticed their C aren't that big...Giroux, Briere, Couturier, Talbot. So basically Couturier is their only big C, however their top 2 are surrounded with big wingers (Hartnell, Simmons, Jagr, Voracek).
Flyers also haven't won since 1975! 37 straight years with a shot at it and never winning tells you something about that model
And a GM with balls. Flyers are what they are today because Holmgren did not screw around, he traded two of his best players because he felt they lacked leadership. We need a GM with the cojones to do big deals like that. Trading Price would have indeed being in that territory of tough as nails GM that's willing to do anything.
Yeah but for every Holmgren, there's a Burke. I'd like a GM like Holmgren, but damn he can't be wrong in MTL. Imagine if he did what he did last summer with MTL, half of the fans would want his head dead or alive.
As long as The Molson tolerate Gomez around, this team is doomed.
You'll be happy next year because I'm sure he won't be around. If they get a smart GM he will waive him before the season and use the cap space elswhere.
The philadelphia model is just having a pretty good GM model
He's made some good moves and not so good moved. They had a shot at the cup 2 years ago but shoddy goaltending killed them. Signing Pronger for about 10 years at his age was not a genius move.
And a GM with balls. Flyers are what they are today because Holmgren did not screw around, he traded two of his best players because he felt they lacked leadership. We need a GM with the cojones to do big deals like that. Trading Price would have indeed being in that territory of tough as nails GM that's willing to do anything.
Trading Halak after his big playoffs took big "cojones".
Trading Halak after his big playoffs took big "cojones".
Well since Gauthier couldn't care less about what the fans think, I don't agree. He thought Price was the guy. So for himself, it would have been to believe that while he prefered Price, that the possibility of having an incredible return for him while keeping Halak, would have been more courageous than trading the guy he didn't mind trading.
So a GM can't do what fans would do. He'd be trading every day. But Gauthier was way beyond that. So in his own mindset, and he said it himself, trading Halak was the only thing to do.
You know what guys? Their GM had the guts to trade Richards AND Carter because he felt he couldn't win with their current line-up. Same situation with Plekanec. The guy is a class act but we won't win with him. He's worth a good first rounder, build with that.
I don't understand how Plekanec is the one dragging the team down. He was a very good second line center this year with no support. If they draft another offensive center Plekanec becomes an awesome third line center. I don't see the negative part of having him on the team and I doubt he brings enough in trade to make it worthwhile shopping him.
Well unless you have a GM who succeeds in consistently winning trades like the Flyers do. Note that it is easier to win trades when your team is winning and when you have a backlog of prospects that you know better than other teams do. The habs GMs over the last couple of decades tend not to know the upside of players on their own team and farm team. Sigh.
Well since Gauthier couldn't care less about what the fans think, I don't agree. He thought Price was the guy. So for himself, it would have been to believe that while he prefered Price, that the possibility of having an incredible return for him while keeping Halak, would have been more courageous than trading the guy he didn't mind trading.
So a GM can't do what fans would do. He'd be trading every day. But Gauthier was way beyond that. So in his own mindset, and he said it himself, trading Halak was the only thing to do.
Do you think Homgren traded Carter and Richards because that's what the fans wanted???
Just watching the the Flyers-Penguins Game 2. Wow I am really impress with the Flyers tonight. However, I noticed their C aren't that big...Giroux, Briere, Couturier, Talbot. So basically Couturier is their only big C, however their top 2 are surrounded with big wingers (Hartnell, Simmons, Jagr, Voracek).
We basically have DD, Plekanec, Eller (could be our Staal, Courturier going up against other team's big line). We already have Pacioretty and Cole. Hopefully Bourque can turn it around and we need one more elite big winger.
Also watched the Bruins last night, their C are...Krecji, Bergeron, Pevererly/Kelly, so their not that BIG down the middle either, but like the Flyers they're surrounded by big wingers.
I have said it before the Flyers are a great organization .
Why , simply put they draft , develop players and know where they stand at all times in this league
They dont bandaid and patch like we do , and put players in roles they can fill
like I said they made out like bandits in the Carter Richard trades ... STEALS
When they make moves its to get better . They dont pick up Kaberle`s in stupid trades , dont throw away talent like we do , and when it doesnt look right ,
They fix it , but it starts with drafting wisely and no one has done a better job of finding gems than them
They dont take a kid and bury him on the fourth line , then dump him
THERE ISNT A HOPE IN HELL OUR RETARDS WOULD OF PULLED OFF THE CARTER/RICHARD TRADES .
they capitalized on 2 assets who got them as far as they can go , and both will never score the points they did before and socred the moon in return
It doesn't matter if its the centers or wingers who are big but I think it makes a lot of sense to have balanced size on the lines in your top 6. If you've got a small guy like say DD... it makes a lot of sense to flank him with bigger wingers like we've done.
agreed , but it also comes to the point where you have to know who is a legit top 6
Folks Holmgren would trade Pleks and the midget in a second because moving forward both dont fit on this team to compete .
We're using the Philadelphia approach with Eller. They don't depend on their young players. They put them on the 3rd line and let them learn and become defensively responsible. Eventually they get more comfortable and take advantage of their opportunities when they find their feet. Boston did the same with Seguin. The goal is to have little to no pressure but giving them an opportunity to grow at the same time.
agreed but Eller should be our second line center next year ..period
this is where the Philly system comes in
there is no way in hell the Holgren would stick with the midget and Pleks as 1-2 down the middle ... YOU WONT WIN ANYTHING IN THE EAST
The miget is having the luxury of playing with 2 horses who jam the net he isnt a #1 center , on Philly he is in the press box right now
Pleks after 7 years , time is up move on
if we draft Grigs or Galy lets say , they should be centering the top line
Philly gets ahead of the curve , they traded 2 injury prone stars while there is some value
we are Calgary are two fked up organizations , who never learn
The Philly model works only if you have an excellent scouting department to properly judge prospects to replace your current starters. But it is effective.
So, we should start improving our scouting department.
We have drafted well , we just throw away Mcdonough`s in stupid trades
Just watching the the Flyers-Penguins Game 2. Wow I am really impress with the Flyers tonight. However, I noticed their C aren't that big...Giroux, Briere, Couturier, Talbot. So basically Couturier is their only big C, however their top 2 are surrounded with big wingers (Hartnell, Simmons, Jagr, Voracek).
We basically have DD, Plekanec, Eller (could be our Staal, Courturier going up against other team's big line). We already have Pacioretty and Cole. Hopefully Bourque can turn it around and we need one more elite big winger.
Also watched the Bruins last night, their C are...Krecji, Bergeron, Pevererly/Kelly, so their not that BIG down the middle either, but like the Flyers they're surrounded by big wingers.
Well first of all. Patrice bergeron is 6'2 and the rest are 6'0.
Second, yes staal could be our couturier but tomas plekanec is not claude giroux. DD is not briere. paccioretty and cole probabley equal hartnell and simonds, but we still need more. We're missing alot on this team. I know we have a alot as well, but we're missing alot. this years draft will help that. I'm hoping for a guy like thomas wilson as well as grigs or forsberg. I still believe we need a true number 1 center though. I really don't know if grigs will be that or not.
