Where the Habs suppose to get their Giroux type from? He's one of the best centers in the game, our centers couldn't carry his jock strap. Briere is one of playoffs leading point getters since the lockout.
Drafting well in the next 2 years is a good start.
You have to trade top talent to get good assets they had the balls to do it, its not by trading guys like spacek, gill that you're gonna get good stuff.
Put Price on the block and you will get good stuff in return ,a good team with an average goalie will go further than an average team with good goaltending
Not true. Look at L.A. and Quick.
Great goaltending is usually always needed by the cup winning team. Only time it's not is if you have far and away the best team. Chicago and Detroit won with mediocre goaltending (although Niemi was stellar in the play-offs) but their depths lines 1-4, D Pairings 1-3, were exceptional.
There's no "Philadelphia Flyers model." They're the Philadelphia Flyers.
Let's stop trying to aspire to be another team, and focus on being a better us.
This, and Claude Giroux, Danny Briere and Sean Couturier make Tomas Plekanec, David Desharnais and Lars Eller look like a Junior B squad. Maybe a slight exaggeration, but you get my point. Yes you can build a team with smallish centers. But they have to be really, really good.
You want to be like the Flyers we need to hire a GM with balls that i've been saying for a while. Not a Mickey Mouse GM like Gainey and Gauthier who watch the parade go by every year
Pro scouts that know what the **** they're doing, not scouting players such as Spacek, Kaberle, Bourque, Gomez and company
You want to be like Philly you trade a 1st round pick for rights to players before they hit UFA
You want to be like Philly you got be be ready to deal players like Subban, Price and company. Can't be scared and want to hold on to our players the way we do calling players untouchable that haven't done anything at the NHL level
You guys ready for that or you're going to "change teams" cause we traded Subban or Price for example?
We're using the Philadelphia approach with Eller. They don't depend on their young players. They put them on the 3rd line and let them learn and become defensively responsible. Eventually they get more comfortable and take advantage of their opportunities when they find their feet. Boston did the same with Seguin. The goal is to have little to no pressure but giving them an opportunity to grow at the same time.
wrong, Flyers and Bruins had great top 6 and didn't need those players to come in, Eller as much as I like him at best is a 3rd line player, that's the difference.
Couturier, Seguin are much better players then Lars Eller, and I really like the kid
4 years ago : Wings model
3 years ago : Pens model
2 years ago : Hawks model
last year : Bruins model
this year : Flyers model
next year ? ? ?
How about the Habs model.
Get a Hall of Fame Goalie(Roy, Hainsworth, Plante, Dryden) Price?
Build a top notch defense for that goalie (Harvey, Ronbinson, Savard, LaPointe, Chelios) Subban, Beaulieu, Tinordi, Ellis ????
Habs won more cups from having the best defense. They took out some of the best teams in the playoffs by choking them to death and having maybe one or two great forwards to put them over the edge. They don't lead the league with greatest forwards when you look back in history, but they have had some of the greatest goalies and defensemen. Their greatest forwards were Richard, Beliveau, Morenz, and Lafleur.
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wrong, Flyers and Bruins had great top 6 and didn't need those players to come in, Eller as much as I like him at best is a 3rd line player, that's the difference.
Couturier, Seguin are much better players then Lars Eller, and I really like the kid
You couldn't be more wrong. I seriously wonder what you people think you see when you watch Eller play. He's 22 years old, scores 16 goals on the 3rd line with scrub line mates and no PP time, but he's 'third line at best'.
Trading Halak after his big playoffs took big "cojones".
He traded him quickly because he was afraid of the repercutions. And he traded him for a prospect. I'm talking about a GM making big deals, like trading the player with most value(Price) for a first rate player.
You couldn't be more wrong. I seriously wonder what you people think you see when you watch Eller play. He's 22 years old, scores 16 goals on the 3rd line with scrub line mates and no PP time, but he's 'third line at best'.
Agreed. Eller is the MFM. People seriously undervalue his skill set. The kid's got insane puck poise. If we can finally get a competent coach behind the bench, we will finally see this kid's true skill set shine.
I can't believe the amount of PP time he's had this season. Every time he gets 10-20 seconds, something good happens. It made no sense to see guys like Kaberle, Gomez or Campoli getting PP time over him.
The thing is, if you go back not even that long ago, Flyers fans were really really upset with their GM. The guy couldn't bring in the right staff, never solved the goaltending issues and just took a lot of heat.
But luckily, they were able to sign a guy like Forsberg and then TRADE him for a series of great assets from Nashville to build their team (Basically, Forsberg turned into: Hartnell, Timmonen, which are centerpieces on that team - but they got them for basically nothing) (oh and capitalizing on the Thrashers unbelievably bad General manager by trading an aging, and terrible, defenseman in the name of Zhitnik for Coburn). The fact remains that they were very bad for a long streak and then are starting to finally be good again. The Richards/Carter trades were not technicallly that good. Their return was far less than what they should have warranted. But the thing is, Holmgren recognized what the team's need was and filled it with players based on his vision of team fit.
The guy made a LOT of trades and a lot of them didn't turn into anything (trading Parent for the rights to Hamhuis for example). So let's not annoint him as the next patron Saint.
This is like real life, it's not always the most qualified person who gets the job, it's the one that best fits the team.
Holmgren has a vision and balls to go along with it.
Then you have a guy like Bobby Clarke involved as senior vice president and executives to fill the operational voids to go with it, two assistant GM's...a solid group of people, not just the GM.
And an owner who's all spit and vinegar who won't tolerate failure and who knows the game. When the Flyers self-destructed in the playoffs last year, aparantly Ed Snyder went nuts and said "I don't want to see Richards and Carter in this uniform again!". Can you imagine Goeff Molson saying that?
They are lucky they have three strong entity at three key positions. I think for this to work for the Habs they would have to have at least Savard and Roy. Not young administrators like Brisebois.
I think Eller is a 2nd line center. He uses his size very well and is a good playmaker. He would have score more than 16 goals if he plays with better linemates other than Moen and inconsistant Kostitsyn. Put Eller between Cole and Pacioretty and you have one big power forward line.
Where the Habs suppose to get their Giroux type from? He's one of the best centers in the game, our centers couldn't carry his jock strap. Briere is one of playoffs leading point getters since the lockout.
Are you kidding? They could have had him Carter and Richards. If Serge Savard would have been there, i'm sure the Habs would have given a chance to Briere when nobody wanted him.
They have an amazing D-core full of big solid guys to go along with that as well.
Coburn, Meszaros, Kubina, Grossman, not including Pronger.
That's where we need to improve.
The Flyers traded/signed Meszaros, Coburn, Kubina, Pronger, and Grossman rather than drafting them. Gainey drafted Chipchura instead of Meszaros, whom I wanted.
wrong, Flyers and Bruins had great top 6 and didn't need those players to come in, Eller as much as I like him at best is a 3rd line player, that's the difference.
Couturier, Seguin are much better players then Lars Eller, and I really like the kid
Oh dear god. I wonder what people like you are watching, because it's clearly not the games that he's played.
There's no doubt about it for me, we should follow the Philadelphia model.
Trade Plekanec for blue chip young prospects.
Go with DD and Eller as our #1 and #2.
Draft (Galchenyuk??).
DD is indeed inferior to Giroux, but Eller can be better than Briere and Galchenyuk can be better than Couturier (eventually).
I don't think this is a winning strategy for next season, but I also don't think there is such a thing as a winning Habs strategy for next season. Our team is weak. We need to think long-term.
