There's a reason I post on the Devils board probably 5 times as much as I do here. Mainly because when that slew of posters bailed, the average IQ around here dropped by about 30 points.
Huh? The GM made a series of great moves that a bunch of know-it-all wannabe GMs didn't agree with. They were WRONG. I think you grossly overestimate the IQ of the Sulking Departed or Self-Exiled in Embarrassment. They aren't missed here, since it's pretty clear they had no friggin' idea what they were talking about in the first placee, their own self-delusions notwithstanding....
I realize it's going to be hard for all the Homer Haters to come back, but let's just say, the Flyer Bandwagon welcomes prodigal sons and daughters.
Just begin your return posts by saying 'I admit it, I was wrong about Holmgren.'
If not, we reserve the right to keep laughing at their arrogance and making fun of them for their stupidity. They really should be Penguin fans with that attitude.
Huh? The GM made a series of great moves that a bunch of know-it-all wannabe GMs didn't agree with. They were WRONG. I think you grossly overestimate the IQ of the Sulking Departed or Self-Exiled in Embarrassment. They aren't missed here, since it's pretty clear they had no friggin' idea what they were talking about in the first placee, their own self-delusions notwithstanding....
I realize it's going to be hard for all the Homer Haters to come back, but let's just say, the Flyer Bandwagon welcomes prodigal sons and daughters.
Just begin your return posts by saying 'I admit it, I was wrong about Holmgren.'
If not, we reserve the right to keep laughing at their arrogance and making fun of them for their stupidity. They really should be Penguin fans with that attitude.
Homer can do no wrong!
Many of them are missed here. They'd bring the average IQ of this board's members up a few notches.
Suggesting Mike Richards didn't care is pretty ridiculous.
Yeah but somethings certainly different. That can't be denied, whether you're in the locker room, in the stands, or in Siberia. It's like Richards, Carter, and briefly Versteeg (and maybe more) were all debbie-downers when the team wasn't doing well. Plus that team would quit. Down 3+ goals they'd mail it in. Up a goal or two...they were terrible in the 3rd period for the last couple years, remember? This new team has drive...it has jam
Yeah but somethings certainly different. That can't be denied, whether you're in the locker room, in the stands, or in Siberia. It's like Richards, Carter, and briefly Versteeg (and maybe more) were all debbie-downers when the team wasn't doing well. Plus that team would quit. Down 3+ goals they'd mail it in. Up a goal or two...they were terrible in the 3rd period for the last couple years, remember? This new team has drive...it has jam
are you guys serious? werent they part of the team that came back 0-3 against boston?
Yeah but somethings certainly different. That can't be denied, whether you're in the locker room, in the stands, or in Siberia. It's like Richards, Carter, and briefly Versteeg (and maybe more) were all debbie-downers when the team wasn't doing well. Plus that team would quit. Down 3+ goals they'd mail it in. Up a goal or two...they were terrible in the 3rd period for the last couple years, remember? This new team has drive...it has jam
Yeah, because none of those guys were on the 2010 team. Oh wait...
Going to Bryz with what was basically a blank check was idiotic. I'm not against signing Bryz. I think he's a very good goalie who brings much needed stability to the position. However, signing him for 9 years with a NMC was too much. Much like Briere's, his contract has the potential to be crippling if his production diminishes with age.
are you guys serious? werent they part of the team that came back 0-3 against boston?
Richards was, and he played well. He always played well. I've never had an issue with Richards on the ice. I've just never been a fan of his off-ice/locker room demeanor. Granted, it's always displayed to us by the much maligned Philly media...but still.
Since that trade happened, I've been happy with the Carter deal, and shocked by the Richards deal, but content with the return.
Yeah, because none of those guys were on the 2010 team. Oh wait...
Versteeg wasn't, Carter might as well not have been, and Richards was. Oh wait...Doesn't change my feelings. It never seemed like hockey came 1st for any of them
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Originally Posted by Go For It
What a well constructed argument.
Going to Bryz with what was basically a blank check was idiotic. I'm not against signing Bryz. I think he's a very good goalie who brings much needed stability to the position. However, signing him for 9 years with a NMC was too much. Much like Briere's, his contract has the potential to be crippling if his production diminishes with age.
Bad contracts, yes. But our hands were forced. For Briere, we were coming off the worst season in franchise history and trying to rebuild quickly. I highly doubt he'd be here if we didn't overpay and sweeten it with a NTC. As for Bryz...well, it was no secret that we needed a goalie. Anyone with a brain and one working eye could see that, and Snider's guarantee didn't help either. Bryz could have sat and drive the price up until he got the money he wants.
Also...players don't really give a crap about cap hit. They care about what they're actually getting on a year to year basis. The GMs care about cap hit...THAT matters to them. To decrease the cap hit, you stretch out the contract length. I assume we could have a cap hit of around $8M/4-5 years for Bryz if people prefer that?
Versteeg wasn't, Carter might as well not have been, and Richards was. Oh wait...Doesn't change my feelings. It never seemed like hockey came 1st for any of them
As far as the first thing is concerned, you can't just decide on a whim "Carter might as well not have been". He was, and there's no disputing that. As for the second, "seemed" seems to be the right word.
Versteeg wasn't, Carter might as well not have been, and Richards was. Oh wait...Doesn't change my feelings. It never seemed like hockey came 1st for any of them
Bad contracts, yes. But our hands were forced. For Briere, we were coming off the worst season in franchise history and trying to rebuild quickly. I highly doubt he'd be here if we didn't overpay and sweeten it with a NTC. As for Bryz...well, it was no secret that we needed a goalie. Anyone with a brain and one working eye could see that, and Snider's guarantee didn't help either. Bryz could have sat and drive the price up until he got the money he wants.
Also...players don't really give a crap about cap hit. They care about what they're actually getting on a year to year basis. The GMs care about cap hit...THAT matters to them. To decrease the cap hit, you stretch out the contract length. I assume we could have a cap hit of around $8M/4-5 years for Bryz if people prefer that?
You don't get to the NHL, yet alone be a 1st round draft pick, if hockey doesn't come first for you.
As for the Briere situation, I agree that it may have been necessary at the time, but it's starting to really hurt now.
Again, you're right about cap hit vs. actual cash dollars. Like I said, I'm not a big fan of the length of the deal, but the NMC is what really gets me. Towards the end of the deal, his contract would be perfect for a small-market team looking to meet the cap floor.
Bang on with this statement, and I hope the players are having this tattooed onto their foreheads by Laviolette. The task is incomplete until the buzzer goes on win #4.
You don't get to the NHL, yet alone be a 1st round draft pick, if hockey doesn't come first for you.
As for the Briere situation, I agree that it may have been necessary at the time, but it's starting to really hurt now.
Again, you're right about cap hit vs. actual cash dollars. Like I said, I'm not a big fan of the length of the deal, but the NMC is what really gets me. Towards the end of the deal, his contract would be perfect for a small-market team looking to meet the cap floor.
I think we have an option to dump him...but not until 2020
As for the Richards/Carter thing, I can assume all day that they had other priorities, while others can assume all day that they cared about hockey most. We'll never know. Honestly, they're in a better place now for their own interests (be it partying, lack of hockey limelight, lack of insufferable media, etc).
Huh? The GM made a series of great moves that a bunch of know-it-all wannabe GMs didn't agree with. They were WRONG. I think you grossly overestimate the IQ of the Sulking Departed or Self-Exiled in Embarrassment. They aren't missed here, since it's pretty clear they had no friggin' idea what they were talking about in the first placee, their own self-delusions notwithstanding....
I realize it's going to be hard for all the Homer Haters to come back, but let's just say, the Flyer Bandwagon welcomes prodigal sons and daughters.
Just begin your return posts by saying 'I admit it, I was wrong about Holmgren.'
If not, we reserve the right to keep laughing at their arrogance and making fun of them for their stupidity. They really should be Penguin fans with that attitude.
Once upon a time, Flyer fans weren't so sad that they celebrated two wins in the first round like it was the Cup. Hell, two years ago we were in Game 6 with Michael
Leighton.
I guess times change, and measures of success are lowered.
Homer is a high risk GM with an excellent scouting staff and poor overall cap management. Overall, his winning % on moves is looking very good right now. (Hindsight is 20/20). That does not mean his next move will be a good one (it might be horrible), but I feel we as fans are very lucky to have the right owner and front office to keep this team competitive for years.
Suggesting Mike Richards didn't care is pretty ridiculous.
Agreed
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Originally Posted by Jester
Once upon a time, Flyer fans weren't so sad that they celebrated two wins in the first round like it was the Cup. Hell, two years ago we were in Game 6 with Michael
Leighton.
I guess times change, and measures of success are lowered.
Yeah, the two wins in Pittsburgh were great, but it's not like this team has achieved anything great yet.
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Originally Posted by BillDineen
Homer is a high risk GM with an excellent scouting staff and poor overall cap management. Overall, his winning % on moves is looking very good right now. (Hindsight is 20/20). That does not mean his next move will be a good one (it might be horrible), but I feel we as fans are very lucky to have the right owner and front office to keep this team competitive for years.
Yeah, I agree with this as well. Homer is a bit too impatient for me at times, but the guy sure has balls. And it's never boring as a Flyer fan, that's for sure.
Not even close to 99% of players show up for the whole 60 minutes.
Haha I was just thinking that. What team are we watching? I'm watching the one that doesn't play the first 10-15 minutes.
Homer did a good job getting good value in the trades, he's real good at talent evaluation, has a very good scouting staff, and a piss poor cap management staff. He usually somewhat overpays for players, has made some dumb moves, some strange/bad trades, and completely lacks patience.
However, he gets the players he wants, who often have turned out to be good, and he ices a competitive team every year. That is also easier to do when you can spend to the cap every year, but you still need to get the right players.
I will say that he has shown he's very good at rebuilding a team in short order.
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