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04-25-2012, 08:52 PM
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A blind monkey > Luke Schenn > Mattias Ohlund.

Very true

But.. Luke Schenn > A blind monkey on skates > Mattias Ohlund

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What exactly is your man-crush obsession with Ohlund about.

Luke Schenn is almost worth nothing to the Canucks?

You wanted Ohlund because he was in your opinion physical and a stay at home D.

LUKE SCHENN IS A STAY AT HOME D AND IS PHYSICAL. Better than. HE IS A RH and can QB the PP.

So.. a young defensman with all the qualities that YOU WERE ORIGINALLY LOOKING FOR is worth almost nothing in your opinion.

But an old defensman with 2 bum knees is worth a superstar goaltender.

I think I speak for most vancouver fans when I say, thank you for not applying to be the General Manager of the Vancouver Canucks.
A blind monkey can tell you Luke Schenn > Mattias Ohlund.

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By the sounds of it, you have a mancrush on Schenn. He cannot QB the powerplay, he is not an offensive D man.

He is extremely prone to defensive breakdowns, and we can't afford to have another deer in the headlights on defense. Those breakdowns are the reason our defense is so poor already.

And I have no man crush on Ohlund, I already said I don't want him if he can't play. But just for arguments sake, I would feel way better with a healthy Ohlund protecting the net than a young guy who can barely crack the Leafs roster.

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You have obviously not watched Tanev closely. To say he needs 1 more year in the minors is criminally wrong. Tanev makes reliable plays and is perfectly suited to the teams system. Hes a tall, smart, mobile defenseman that is already one of the teams best defensive dmen. He is incredibly quick and smooth with his stick and is a good skater. He also is reliable under pressure and is capable of carrying the puck up the ice.

You would be pretty foolish to think he couldn't already be an impact player this coming season.

We've already established that the OP is pretty foolish.

He's giving away Luongo for a 3rd and Ohlund, because according to another poster apparently they're doing us a huge favour by eating up cap space when a) the cap's going up this year and b) we're not trying to lose cap.

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Ohlund might still be able to play on a team who's system emphasizes stay at home defensemen. However, that team is not the Vancouver canucks. Hamhuis, Bieksa, Edler, Salo, Ballard, and Tanev are all mobile puck movers who are encouraged to pinch and pitch in offensively. Ohlund just doesn't fit with this team any longer. Bergeron fits the bill but wouldn't be all that valuable to Vancouver as he could struggle to crack the roster even as 7/8th, especially since we already have Gragnani.

Vancouver would covet Malone (somewhat), Purcell, prospects, and picks. TBL doesn't have much else to offer Vancouver.

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04-25-2012, 08:58 PM
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By the sounds of it, you have a mancrush on Schenn. He cannot QB the powerplay, he is not an offensive D man.

He is extremely prone to defensive breakdowns, and we can't afford to have another deer in the headlights on defense. Those breakdowns are the reason our defense is so poor already.

And I have no man crush on Ohlund, I already said I don't want him if he can't play. But just for arguments sake, I would feel way better with a healthy Ohlund protecting the net than a young guy who can barely crack the Leafs roster.

You should probably watch a few hockey games before posting. I don't have a man crush on Luke Schenn, but if I had to pick between Luke Schenn and Mattias Ohlund, I'd pick Schenn. I'll bet you 60% of Tampa Bay fans, would pick Luke Schenn.

Luke has been in the league for only 3 years. He's improved on his point total each year. His PIM has decreased each year.

He is maturing. He's also playing in a god awful system and team known as the leafs.

22 > 35 any day of the week.

Tanev and Schenn would be a pretty sick defensive pair in about 4 years

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04-25-2012, 08:58 PM
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Oh my god.

Okay let's try this again. 1) The Canucks are NOT trying to free cap. If they were, they would just LET A TEAM CLAIM HIM.

2) The Canucks are going to get more than Ohlund and a 3rd. If not, THE CANUCKS WILL KEEP LUONGO AND TRADE SCHNEIDER FOR A HUGE OVERPAYMENT.

Do you understand?

The Canucks have the luxury of dealing EITHER ONE of them.

If you want Luongo or Schneider. It's going to be for a lot more than Ohlund and a 3rd.
Really, your not freeing up cap space? I guess your the only Van fan who doesn't want to try to sign Suter. If your not freeing up cap space just keep the two of them and run your same tandem but at a higher cost cause Schneider needs a raise. Go ahead and trade Schneider and if you faulter in the playoffs again that city is going to riot even worse than last time. Luongo may have said at the end of the season he wants best for the team and if they move him he'll be fine with that, I'm sure he said that to look good in the media. He's not gonna let them trade him to any team unless he ok's it so your options are severely limited and his value diminished.

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04-25-2012, 09:00 PM
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Do people really believe the Canucks would jump at the chance of trading for 4 years of a 3.6 million 36 year old dman that can't score, can barely skate and is often injured?

I love Ohlund, but this proposal sounds like a case where the OP has no idea what the Canucks needs are.

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Salo is a UFA, at his age, and ability to get injured every year. It's either a 1 year 1.5 million dollar deal or retirement.
Yeah - I know his age/status/history. Just thought Vancouver fans may be privy to something. As a Sens fan I'd love to have him finish his career back with us as a #6 and PP specialist on a cheap deal.

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Oh my god.

Okay let's try this again. 1) The Canucks are NOT trying to free cap. If they were, they would just LET A TEAM CLAIM HIM.

2) The Canucks are going to get more than Ohlund and a 3rd. If not, THE CANUCKS WILL KEEP LUONGO AND TRADE SCHNEIDER FOR A HUGE OVERPAYMENT.

Do you understand?

The Canucks have the luxury of dealing EITHER ONE of them.

If you want Luongo or Schneider. It's going to be for a lot more than Ohlund and a 3rd.
Yes I agree on the huge over payment for Schneider, as long as you agree that Lou brings underpayment. Not Ohlund under payment but under payment never thr less. You saying Van doesn't need cap room is completely idioic though. The whole reason you are trading him is because you can't afford to keep both which means you need cap room. You also need cap room to address the **** d that Van has. Schneider will solve your d problem, Lou will solve the cap room to sign Schneider annd a decent Top 4 d man. Tampa is the worst team to pair up with Van for a goalie trade because we don't have anything to offer to immediately help Van. Unless you want Marc-Andre Bergeron.

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22 > 35 any day of the week.
I'll call Chiarelli and tell him to get to work on a Chara for Aulie swap.

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I'll call Chiarelli and tell him to get to work on a Chara for Aulie swap.
Oh SNAP!!

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First taking on Luongos cap hit and sending Ohlund back is actually freeing you up cap space buddy. Second go ahead and try to bury him in the minors and he'll be claimed faster than you can repost to this. Third every team knows you have to goalies you really can't afford to keep so why should they do you any favors and pay a premium, you don't have the leverage. So brush up your IQ pal.
Like I said in the other Luongo thread. Did teams not pay premium prices for Chicago's depth players even though everyone knew they had to trade them away or be over the cap because their current roster was above the cap limit?

Was NYR not willing to pay a premium price for a 60 point Rick Nash signed til 33/34 at a 7.8M cap hit and his salary for the last 4 years out of the 6 remaining will be hire than his cap hit? Yet NYR know CBJ has to trade Nash because he demanded a trade and does not want to be there so why would they offer a premium? Oh and also Its already known 5 teams are on Nash's list and half the teams probably dont even want him because they want to keep their young guys

People here are going to be shocked when Luongo returns close to what his real value is if circumstances were not how they are.

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04-25-2012, 09:06 PM
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Yes I agree on the huge over payment for Schneider, as long as you agree that Lou brings underpayment. Not Ohlund under payment but under payment never thr less. You saying Van doesn't need cap room is completely idioic though. The whole reason you are trading him is because you can't afford to keep both which means you need cap room. You also need cap room to address the **** d that Van has. Schneider will solve your d problem, Lou will solve the cap room to sign Schneider annd a decent Top 4 d man. Tampa is the worst team to pair up with Van for a goalie trade because we don't have anything to offer to immediately help Van. Unless you want Marc-Andre Bergeron.

I fully agree with you that Luongo is not going to bring in a 1st rounder + #1 dman + whatever. The purpose of trading Luongo is for peices, it's not for 5.3 million cap space relief. Let's be honest here, Gillis has circumvented the cap space more times than Pam Anderson has been on the cover of playboy.

If there are no suitable trades Gillis will do something like claim Luongo has a head injury, put him on Long-term injured reserve for the whole year and boom 5.33 free space.

Would the league bust him on it? probably, but can anyone truly dispute than Luongo doesn't have mental problems? probably not, and as such Gillis would probably get away with it if he played it that way.

The Canucks do NOT need to force a trade here, they can circumvent the cap like every other team.

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To Vancouver


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I'll call Chiarelli and tell him to get to work on a Chara for Aulie swap.
So Ohlund = Chara now?

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I'll call Chiarelli and tell him to get to work on a Chara for Aulie swap.
Deal.

You win for what? 3 years with Chara? I'll win the next 12 years of the trade with Aulie when Chara's no longer in the league?

Yeah call him. Instant deal from me especially if I'm a rebuilding team.

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How bout this solution for both teams, Eric Brewer for Luongo + Tanev? You get a top line D with plenty of playoff experience with a decent cap hit. You also free up some cap space by getting rid of Luongo and we get someone to replace Brewer in Tanev. Maybe will throw a 2nd in also.

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So Ohlund = Chara now?
The poster said 22>35 any day of the week. I figured since he's obviously dealing in absolutes...

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How bout this solution for both teams, Eric Brewer for Luongo + Tanev? You get a top line D with plenty of playoff experience with a decent cap hit. You also free up some cap space by getting rid of Luongo and we get someone to replace Brewer in Tanev. Maybe will throw a 2nd in also.
This is loads better than Ohlund and a 3rd, but still a no from Vancouver.

If you want Luongo it's going to be based on 1 of 2 things

Detriot's 1st rounder, or Brett Connolly.

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Thats not happening unless you throw in your 1st which will be a move up of 6 spots essentially. He's only gonna name a few teams so there will be no bidding war and you have no leverage, take what we decide is fair.
We as in you? He publicly stated he will accept a trade if asked to waive his no trade clause. He still has a good 5-6 years left as a top 10-15 goalie, his last 4 years of salary are 3.6m,1.6m, 1m, 1m. Bob Mackenzie said that realistically unless hes playing great he will likely retire from the last 3-4 years of his deal. Not so bad if it works that way, i personally think he is still worth a 20-30 pick overall

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People here are going to be shocked when Luongo returns close to what his real value is if circumstances were not how they are.
Luongo or a package including him will likely bring back a cap dump that actually has some sort of value to the canucks (Malone, Lombardi/T. Connolly?) and cap space, probably as a cheap replacement for Ballard (Aulie, Gunnarsson?). Maybe a pick if we're lucky. Anything above that is a steal.

Personally, I don't see Tampa as being a big bidder for Luongo, they'll likely target Schneider and if they make a decent offer it'll drive up the price on Luongo.

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Oh. Oh god that is bad. Holy mother of saint howson, the jackets don't take that deal.

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I proposed almost this exact trade in a previous Luongo thread and I stand by it. If TB looks to get Luongo. I really believe it will be something like this.

TB: Luongo
VAN: Ohlund, 2nd round pick, cap space

Makes the most sense for both teams. And thats about the value Luongo will return IF he will only go to certain teams, and because not many teams will want him or will be able to afford him.

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I fully agree with you that Luongo is not going to bring in a 1st rounder + #1 dman + whatever. The purpose of trading Luongo is for peices, it's not for 5.3 million cap space relief. Let's be honest here, Gillis has circumvented the cap space more times than Pam Anderson has been on the cover of playboy.

If there are no suitable trades Gillis will do something like claim Luongo has a head injury, put him on Long-term injured reserve for the whole year and boom 5.33 free space.

Would the league bust him on it? probably, but can anyone truly dispute than Luongo doesn't have mental problems? probably not, and as such Gillis would probably get away with it if he played it that way.

The Canucks do NOT need to force a trade here, they can circumvent the cap like every other team.
Then go with that. Or find another trade partner. NJ is probably looking. Another poster in different thread offered Volchenkov and neg. Rights to Parise for Lou plus a conditional if Parise signs. Or a conditional going to Van if he doesn't sign.

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Oh. Oh god that is bad. Holy mother of saint howson, the jackets don't take that deal.
Canucks don't either

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