Just wanted to say, I have nothing against some of the American teams. Some of them are pretty cool.
But it's been nearly 20 years since a Canadian team won the Cup. Can't you see why it matters now?
And OK, maybe there's no such thing as a "Canadian team", but what I mean is "team that belongs to a Canadian city". Still been nearly 20 years. It hardly has anything to do with hating America or Americans. In fact, I care a lot about a Canadian team winning the Cup, but I'm hardly a nationalist.
What bothers me is that most, or the majority of American fans would rather their NFL or NBA team win. They'd rather be watching them play for the championship. But in the Canadian cities that have a team, that is the BIGGEST thing there. A trip to the SCF is like a trip to Mars for them.
And... I've heard a lot of Americans on these forums actually say that their final 7 favorite NHL teams are the Canadian teams. And they LOL at the fact that it's been nearly 20 years since a Canadian team won.
Most people I talk to in Edmonton want the Canucks, or even the Sens to win. I've even talked to people outside of Canada or the US who want a Canadian team to win. Why? Basically because it's something new for a change.
That's the thing.... it's cool to see something new happen. That's just how I am. I'm a WWE fan, especially when I was younger, and I almost always wanted someone new win the championship. I like NHL teams like the Flyers, Sharks, and Wings. If I could just see a few Canadian teams win the Cup every now and then, it wouldn't be such a big deal and I'd probably cheer for some of the American teams before Canadian teams.
Understand this: I didn't start watching hockey until 2003. I have NEVER seen a Canadian team win the Cup LIVE. That's why it's a big deal for me.
So... Sens have tied up the series but I still don't think they'll win. Canucks are in a position where they basically have to win the next 2 games. Even if they do, that means nothing as far as winning the series goes. If they can blow out LA in the next 4 games, then maybe they'll be on the track to win the Cup.
I still stand by my feeling... both Canucks and Sens will be gone after this round. Could I be wrong? Yes. I never said I was psychic. For all I know, LA could be winning 3-0 and the Canucks come back to win game 7 and then win 12 games in a row. It sure doesn't feel like anything close to that will be happening this year.
So you're effectively saying Americans are lesser hockey fans?
Just to further this: Current numbers...
Canada's population: ~33 million
USA population: ~300 million
Estimate of US Population 24.9% (google it) that are hockey fans
So by the numbers, approx 75 million of the US population are Professional Hockey fans
or a little over double what Canada's total population is.
And to go even further, the US markets are ripe with cash grab opportunities(not saying sun belt neccessarily, just overall) and people wonder why there is such a strong push to market to the US by the NHL.
Heavily saturated market with most already meeting their expected expenditure estimates vs a market that is being under exploited for expenditure per capita.
Last edited by dekelikekocur: 04-15-2012 at 09:18 AM.
What? I believe American hockey fans are just as knowledgable and passionate as Canadian hockey fans. What proof do you have that American fans wouldn't watch Canadian teams?
I hope just because you posted this, Ottawa catches fire and slays the dragon.
Well, I do agree.
But it's not going to happen "just because" I posted this. Sometimes I stupidly use "jinx" thinking myself, like "oh because I don't have good faith, my team will lose", or "because I'm not watching, they'll lose". But that's nonsense. Nothing you can do will change the outcome of the game, unless you actually do something like talk to some of the NHL players and give them faith, etc. Nothing you do will change the outcome of the game unless you actually interfere with it, or its dynamics. Pretty silly to think you, out of millions watching, are responsible for the outcome of a game. Every time one person thinks they jinxed it, there's hundreds or thousands more thinking the same thing. One might be thinking "I jinxed my team to win", and the other "I jinxed my team to lose".
Even all the superstitions the players have are bunk.
I hope the Sens win the Cup if the Canucks don't. That would be awesome.
You can all LOL at me if both Sens and Nucks make it out of this round. I'll do it myself. You can bet I'll be here LOLing if one of them wins the Cup. But I'll also bump this if both of them are bumped after this round.
If the Canucks lose tonight than it's all but certain I was half right.
What? I believe American hockey fans are just as knowledgable and passionate as Canadian hockey fans. What proof do you have that American fans wouldn't watch Canadian teams?
All the posters in this thread (Americans) who claim that an all-Canadian final is bad for the league because Americans don't care.
I'm as proud a Canadian as can be but the Stanley Cup is affair of cities against cities, not Canada vs the U.S.A. It's my city against the other 29 to win the ultimate prize. Once Ottawa gets eliminated, I'll still watch but I don't particularly care if the ultimate winner is Canadian or American. In fact there are Canadian cities I dislike far more than American cities, so I would root for a US city against Toronto or Montreal any day.
Now the Olympics/World Championship is another matter. There we can pounce on other nations with absolute fervor and nationalistic glee.
I'm as proud a Canadian as can be but the Stanley Cup is affair of cities against cities, not Canada vs the U.S.A. It's my city against the other 29 to win the ultimate prize. Once Ottawa gets eliminated, I'll still watch but I don't particularly care if the ultimate winner is Canadian or American. In fact there are Canadian cities I dislike far more than American cities, so I would root for a US city against Toronto or Montreal any day.
Now the Olympics/World Championship is another matter. There we can pounce on other nations with absolute fervor and nationalistic glee.
See for me, I'm not a nationalist. And Canada wins Olympic stuff and world championships all the time. So it's not really a big deal for me. More or less, I couldn't care less.
The Stanley Cup is a different story. Not to mention, the NHL is such a big, awesome franchise with so much heat and intensity involved.
It bothers me that many Americans hate Canada, and Canadian teams just for being Canadian, yet their teams have won the Cup going on 20 years, by using our talent just because they have more money.
Personally I don't understand all the hate re: team rivalries. Some people make it out to be an issue of morality and good guys vs. bad guys as if it's a real war. Sad, cause that really explains why people have so much prejudice towards each other regarding real issues in life that matter. But this is sports. All the teams try to win and do stupid things some times. Nothing more, nothing less. Nothing makes one team better than the other, besides who is better at the sport.
Which is why I won't sell out the other Canadian teams just cause they're in a rivalry with mine. I'd rather see the Cup drought end, in any event.
Every fanbase has good and bad arguments against the other. It's not like Europe vs. Hitler.
If the Nucks or Sens can't with this year, I'm going for Philly. A Wing win wouldn't be bad either, but they win the Cup so much it gets tiresome.
As far as Canadian players vs. American/Russian/Euro players, I don't care either. I'll still cheer for the Flyers if they're against Nashville, even if the Flyers had all Americans and Nashville all Canadians.
If I was a Canadian, and most Canadian fans I've talked to feel the same way, I'd only care about my team. Sure, I could see rooting on a team like Winnipeg or Ottawa, but who ****ing cares if Canada hasn't had a cup since 93 and this might be the first time a Canadian team doesn't make the semis? It's not like every player on their respective teams is from Canada. Seems really silly to me
I'm actually of the opposite mindset to most Canadians. If the Sens lose, I am rooting for a NYC-LA final to showcase hockey to the two largest markets in the US. I am a fan of the game, and want to see it grow in the US.
I don't understand the Canada vs US mentality of many Canadians. I suspect that it has something to do with many fans being teenage (need to belong to a group) and leftists (misguided hatred for "imperialistic" USA).
I remember when the Oilers went to the final. They showed on the news that Flames fans were cheering us. They even showed a Flames player that wanted the Oil to win.
I think the comments here are overrated and not the majority.
Everyone in Edmonton I talk to wants the Canucks or Sens to win... except my ******* uncle in law.
Usually on the news they want a Canadian team to win, as do the commentators and analysts between periods. Don Cherry seems to always want a Canadian team, except when it was Boston vs. Montreal. But last year he seemed to want the Canucks to go over Boston.
I admit when it comes to experience, I'm a pretty "young" hockey fan. Everyone here seems to be hardcore fans, which maybe explains this mentality.
PS: Just saw Asham's sucker punch or whatever on Schenn, lol. Good playoff hockey. More penalties coming in this Pens/Flyers game. Go Flyers!
Canada - and its woes. If I made a thread called USA Dominates hockey 2012 - people would be like - yo - that is BS. Grow a pair.
Sorry, what do you mean? I don't really pay attention to hockey outside of the NHL. I *would* pay attention, but I never know the schedules or when to watch.
Are you saying the USA is sucking at everything other than NHL?
Any way, I've already stated throughout this thread why it sucks that a Canadian team isn't winning a Cup, and why I don't care about International/Olympic hockey. I would watch that stuff if I knew when to watch, but I still wouldn't care about it. In any event, the Stanley Cup is really the biggest trophy in hockey. If not, the NHL obviously over states its importance with all their commercials and etc.
I'm just bumping this thread back up, because a lot of people seemed to be calling me an idiot for saying a Canadian team isn't going to make it to round 2. But I was right. At the very least, they were saying I was jumping to conclusions - but it was very obvious something wasn't right and we were in trouble.
