Duboff was also my English teacher for two years in high school. Any respect I had for him is now completely out the window. Imagine Burmi reading how he should have spent time in the OHL or Jaffray reading that he's not NHL-calibre. Sure, these are things we know already, but it's not something a player wants to hear come from their coach.
Duboff is a traitor to the team and a sneak, and probably a liar.
Yeah you can, because it's not a scoop at all. This guy approached other media outlets with the same story and they didn't run with it, because it's bizarrely bad journalism.
Yeah you can, because it's not a scoop at all. This guy approached other media outlets with the same story and they didn't run with it, because it's bizarrely bad journalism.
I suppose you're right. What I should have said was "You can't be surprised that the G&M ran with a scoop".
On another note, while flipping through today's globe sports section I caught the obit for Alan Sweatman, who passed away last week. The name sounded familiar. He was the Chairman of the Save the Jets campaign in '95.
Lucky this guy isn't in the mob or he would be swimming with the fishes for being a rat! Next time Noel will just say hi and not talk to the fans with any detail....nice move rat
People get all up in arms when A> sports figures do nothing but give cliches in interviews and B> are standoffish when they meet people but this is exactly why.
Any time someone in our business is colorful they get:
Attacked: Don Cherry
Bullyed: Pierre MacGuire
Made fun of/ told to cool it: Ilya Bryzgalov
Have their hand slapped: Claude Noel
Railed against: Kings Twitter dude
I am very shy to talk to people in the business, not because I am introverted (not at all ), but because I try to put myself in their shoes and show them some respect. To do this to Noel is a real slap in the face to a nice guy who loves hockey, loves working in Winnipeg, and is obviously just a good Canadian kid.
I certainly wouldn't expect a warm conversation from Claude any more. He is in the process of being converted into a robot, just like most of the other NHL coaches/ players.
People get all up in arms when A> sports figures do nothing but give cliches in interviews and B> are standoffish when they meet people but this is exactly why.
Any time someone in our business is colorful they get:
Attacked: Don Cherry
Bullyed: Pierre MacGuire
Made fun of/ told to cool it: Ilya Bryzgalov
Have their hand slapped: Claude Noel
Railed against: Kings Twitter dude
I am very shy to talk to people in the business, not because I am introverted (not at all ), but because I try to put myself in their shoes and show them some respect. To do this to Noel is a real slap in the face to a nice guy who loves hockey, loves working in Winnipeg, and is obviously just a good Canadian kid.
I certainly wouldn't expect a warm conversation from Claude any more. He is in the process of being converted into a robot, just like most of the other NHL coaches/ players.
Yep, this is it exactly. Also, I suspect many if not all of the "quotations" are Chuck's paraphrased interpretation of answers to questions that Chuck asked the coach. For example, I highly doubt Noel made the comment about Jaffray being too slow without some sort of prompting, if at all. I would put money on the idea that 90 percent of the wording came from Chuck, not Noel.
Yep, this is it exactly. Also, I suspect many if not all of the "quotations" are Chuck's paraphrased interpretation of answers to questions that Chuck asked the coach. For example, I highly doubt Noel made the comment about Jaffray being too slow without some sort of prompting, if at all. I would put money on the idea that 90 percent of the wording came from Chuck, not Noel.
Absolutely. Context can really be a huge changer of tone, and wording can really change the meaning of some things too.
There is no way in my mind that Noel says Jaffray is too slow for the NHL. He may have said something along the lines of "He had a problem adjusting to the speed of the NHL game" when he was asked by this idiot why Jaffray didn't stick.
Yep, this is it exactly. Also, I suspect many if not all of the "quotations" are Chuck's paraphrased interpretation of answers to questions that Chuck asked the coach. For example, I highly doubt Noel made the comment about Jaffray being too slow without some sort of prompting, if at all. I would put money on the idea that 90 percent of the wording came from Chuck, not Noel.
I agree with this too. I bet Chuck said something about how he didn't think Antropov played motivated and Noel probably responded by saying something like "what would you do to get him motivated." Or in regards to Burmi spending time in the OHL, Noel could've said "A couple more years in the juniors could've helped his development".
-If Noel didn't like Burmi's effort, he wouldn't be our #2 C.
-If GST is only a 4th line, Noel wouldn't play them so much
-If Postma was NHL ready, the team wouldn't have called up Flood, Kulda and Meech over him. They also wouldn't have claimed Clitsome
-If Jaffray was too slow, Noel wouldn't have kept him up for the first half of the year
-If he liked Machacek's energy, Noel wouldn't have stapled him to the bench most games.
-If Noel didn't like Burmi's effort, he wouldn't be our #2 C.
-If GST is only a 4th line, Noel wouldn't play them so much
-If Postma was NHL ready, the team wouldn't have called up Flood, Kulda and Meech over him. They also wouldn't have claimed Clitsome
-If Jaffray was too slow, Noel wouldn't have kept him up for the first half of the year
-If he liked Machacek's energy, Noel wouldn't have stapled him to the bench most games.
Burmi was our number 2C out of necessity. It's a fair critique for Noel to want much more from him next year.
GST IS a 4th line. They only got so much ice time last year because our "3rd line" had the hockey talent equivalent of a "6th line" I.E. none. On any team with any depth whatsoever, GST is your 4th line.
Postma might be NHL ready next season. MIGHT. But keeping him in St. Johns getting 20 minutes a night was probably the reason why he might even be ready. Getting stapled to the bench for 5 minutes a game for the Jets might not have been as good for his development.
I agree that Jaffray is too slow and not talented enough to play in the NHL. I would consider the fact that he stayed in Winnipeg a testament more to our terrible depth than to any talent he might possess.
I agree with your point about Machacek. He was the only guy who brought anything to the away debacle in Montreal, and then he was sent down. Really can't see why he didn't get more ice time, especially since he was producing, and bringing much needed energy.
Chuck Duboff has just guarenteed that no Jets personel or players will ever have a conversation with members of the public like that again.
In addition, the players may lose trust in their coach for making his thoughts public even if most of what was said is true.
Chuck Dubhoff, you have hurt the Jets organization and may have cost Coach Noel his job.
You are like the guy who took a picture of the new Jets logo and posted it online thereby denying True North their "moment" of releasing it when they were ready
Chuck Duboff has just guarenteed that no Jets personel or players will ever have a conversation with members of the public like that again.
In addition, the players may lose trust in their coach for making his thoughts public even if most of what was said is true.
Chuck Dubhoff, you have hurt the Jets organization and may have cost Coach Noel his job.
You are like the guy who took a picture of the new Jets logo and posted it online thereby denying True North their "moment" of releasing it when they were ready
This is a bit of a stretch. It's unfortunate but it's not that bad. It's pretty harmless IMO.
* Noel said “it’s going to take a while to change the 'losing culture' from the Thrashers...he said the Moose had a winning culture and that has been passed on to St. John’s” [Noel coached the AHL's Moose in Winnipeg for one season before joining the Jets last summer. The Moose moved to St. John's.]
If this is true, I hope Claude Noel realizes that 90% of the team was part of the "losing culture" for less than 3 years. I didn't know that you totally forget the will to win in that short period of time. Also, I hope he realizes that he is contributing to this losing culture by some of his questionable methods this year.
If this is not BS, I lost even more respect for him which I didn't think was possible.
To be completely honest, I don't think it is true. What he supposedly said and some of what I read on these boards is waaaaay too similar to just be coincidental.
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* Noel said “it’s going to take a while to change the 'losing culture' from the Thrashers...he said the Moose had a winning culture and that has been passed on to St. John’s” [Noel coached the AHL's Moose in Winnipeg for one season before joining the Jets last summer. The Moose moved to St. John's.]
If this is true, I hope Claude Noel realizes that 90% of the team was part of the "losing culture" for less than 3 years. I didn't know that you totally forget the will to win in that short period of time. Also, I hope he realizes that he is contributing to this losing culture by some of his questionable methods this year.
If this is not BS, I lost even more respect for him which I didn't think was possible.
To be completely honest, I don't think it is true. What he supposedly said and some of what I read on these boards is waaaaay too similar to just be coincidental.
I think that you are helping make the point about a losing culture. It is not about the "will to win", it is about learning how to win as a professional.
Some points not in dispute:
Atlanta - non hockey owners, perennial losers
Manitoba - passionate hockey people, perennial contenders
Winnipeg - passionate owners, Jets performance...to be determined
Baffles me how you can say Noel contributes to a losing culture. By doing what???
This culture thing I believe is a simple as setting expectations and not settling for anything less. Noel has certainly had a career of demanding excellence, and so has Chevy, and so has Chipman. What are they doing exactly to perpetuate a culture of losing?
Why do people defend the past as if this team is some bastion of greatness, and anything that these new owners have done is a joke?
I'm sure if this Dube had told coach Noel that everything they were going to talk about was going to end up in the paper, the conversation never would have happened.
Not all of us want to see our names in the paper and actually respect someone when we have a private conversation with them. Years ago I was on vacation in Orlando Florida and took in a Moose game ( this was the IHL days ) and I happen to end up seeing and talking to Mark Chipman. We spend quite a bit of time talking about Winnipeg and the NHL, some of which could have made for some interesting tibbits for a paper. I kept this to myself as any normal person would do. I respected Chipman at the time for being a private person. It was just two hockey fans talking about hockey.... it wasn't an interview.
I think that you are helping make the point about a losing culture. It is not about the "will to win", it is about learning how to win as a professional.
Some points not in dispute:
Atlanta - non hockey owners, perennial losers
Manitoba - passionate hockey people, perennial contenders
Winnipeg - passionate owners, Jets performance...to be determined
Baffles me how you can say Noel contributes to a losing culture. By doing what???
This culture thing I believe is a simple as setting expectations and not settling for anything less. Noel has certainly had a career of demanding excellence, and so has Chevy, and so has Chipman. What are they doing exactly to perpetuate a culture of losing?
Why do people defend the past as if this team is some bastion of greatness, and anything that these new owners have done is a joke?
There has been loads of things that Noel has done this year that can be seen as not helping building a winning culture. Playing veterans that are not doing their jobs way more than rookies that are doing much better is among those things.
And who exactly defends the past? Everyone knows that the Thrashers were perennial losers because of the crap owners, it's not a secret. Not acting like the new owners/GM/coaches crap doesn't smell isn't pretending like everything they do is a joke, it's looking at things realistically. Some people on these boards will defend players more and be more negative towards the management, and vice versa.
And as atl thashers344 points out, it's not like the team is built on players who have been on this team for long.
), but because I try to put myself in their shoes and show them some respect. To do this to Noel is a real slap in the face to a nice guy who loves hockey, loves working in Winnipeg, and is obviously just a good Canadian kid.
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