Well, obviously any team that can win back to back Presidents Trophies and makes it to game 7 of the SCFs last year has no clue how to win a game or series and couldn't possibly turn things around.
The fact that they don't make good company is no reason to complain about them.
Really?
I get where some of the self loathing negativity comes from. Canuck fans have had a tough go of things and the rest of the league wants to see it stay that way. If the team loses then sure, let's make some changes, like we do every year, but don't kid anybody, they will be back next year ready to throw the team under the bus as soon as they don't meet their expectations once again.
I forget who it was but one poster famously swore he was done with the Canucks when they lost to the Bruins and was sheepishly back in no time claiming temporary insanity. If you have been a fan for a while you understand that things can so, so much worse than they currently are. I get upset too, yell at my TV, but don't come on here and vent on other posters raising the collective blood pressure higher than it already is. In my view these fans are a liability to the team. The media, local and national, picks up on their moaning and paints the whole fan base with that same brush. I see these fans believing and exemplifying the stereotype that the rest of the league pins on us.
I get where some of the self loathing negativity comes from. Canuck fans have had a tough go of things and the rest of the league wants to see it stay that way. If the team loses then sure, let's make some changes, like we do every year, but don't kid anybody, they will be back next year ready to throw the team under the bus as soon as they don't meet their expectations once again.
I forget who it was but one poster famously swore he was done with the Canucks when they lost to the Bruins and was sheepishly back in no time claiming temporary insanity. If you have been a fan for a while you understand that things can so, so much worse than they currently are. I get upset too, yell at my TV, but don't come on here and vent on other posters raising the collective blood pressure higher than it already is. In my view these fans are a liability to the team. The media, local and national, picks up on their moaning and paints the whole fan base with that same brush. I see these fans believing and exemplifying the stereotype that the rest of the league pins on us.
I think the rest of the league hates us because:
1. There are too many canucks fan, and we spam everyone making us look annoying.
2. We overrate our players like hell.
3. Instead of looking at the fault or weakness of the team, we usually blame it on the league or refs.
I don't see fans hating us because we criticize our team and want improvement.
Posts like these really piss me off. So my opinion on the team is different than yours so I'm considered a bandwaggoner? There's hope, then there's reality. I don't think it's over yet, but just because people are speculating about this offseason doesn't mean they've given up. It's just looking at it from another perspective. I think this team still has some life, but the question is if they're going to show up or not. I have yet scene this, but that's why you need to win 4 games in a series.
1. There are too many canucks fan, and we spam everyone making us look annoying.
2. We overrate our players like hell.
3. Instead of looking at the fault or weakness of the team, we usually blame it on the league or refs.
I don't see fans hating us because we criticize our team and want improvement.
These are definitely part of it. Many of the posters in question are doing both. They are just too high and too low depending on how things are going. They tend to build up a player to an unreasonable level and then when he doesn't reach the impossible expectations they set it's time for that player to draw their ire. When the Canucks are doing well these posters are all over the main board starting threads and jousting with fans and when the team unravels they get equally resentful because they feel they have put themselves out there for the team and now they are drawing heat for their earlier loud-mouthery.
Posts like these really piss me off. So my opinion on the team is different than yours so I'm considered a bandwaggoner? There's hope, then there's reality. I don't think it's over yet, but just because people are speculating about this offseason doesn't mean they've given up. It's just looking at it from another perspective. I think this team still has some life, but the question is if they're going to show up or not. I have yet scene this, but that's why you need to win 4 games in a series.
You don't see it like planning a funeral when a loved one is in the hospital with a decent chance they will pull through?
You don't see it like planning a funeral when a loved one is in the hospital with a decent chance they will pull through?
No, cause my emotional attachment to this team isn't that extreme that I will compare it to one of my family members(loved ones) in the hospital. It's a game. That's what I understood last playoffs. It will be a bitter taste. It will suck a lot. But that's the way it is. Fans being accused of being bandwaggoners just because they're not gasping at straws doesn't make them any less of fans.
I love this team, and I think I was tested how much I loved it last year. I think any fan that still cheers for their team after what they went through last year is good in my books. I heard a lot of " if this team loses in the finals I'm never cheering for them again." Now those people should be crucified.
I support them, but i`ve said throughout the season that this team is not as good as the record says and I think we will lose this series but of course I hope im wrong
No, cause my emotional attachment to this team isn't that extreme that I will compare it to one of my family members(loved ones) in the hospital. It's a game. That's what I understood last playoffs. It will be a bitter taste. It will suck a lot. But that's the way it is. Fans being accused of being bandwaggoners just because they're not gasping at straws doesn't make them any less of fans.
I love this team, and I think I was tested how much I loved it last year. I think any fan that still cheers for their team after what they went through last year is good in my books. I heard a lot of " if this team loses in the finals I'm never cheering for them again." Now those people should be crucified.
I disagree. I don't see coming one game short of the Stanley Cup a negative. I'm guessing you were not a fan of this team in the 70s and 80s? We could be missing the playoffs, year after year with no sign of getting better. Would that be better than being a contender that struggles with some consistency issues?
Anyways, I think you are misunderstanding what I'm trying to say. I see that some people have already convinced themselves that LA is going to win this series, and if you were a betting man that would be a good bet at this point, but we all want them to pull through and win this series so lets not start cannibalizing this team while they still have some life left. We have to lose two more games. Why not be a little more patient with your eulogy so you can maintain a little credibility if the Canucks pull through.
Canucks won thr first three games... They were great in 5 of thr 7 games.
Just because they won doesn't mean they played great. I don't think they played their best game in games 1 as good as they played game 6 and 7 vs Chicago.
I disagree. I don't see coming one game short of the Stanley Cup a negative. I'm guessing you were not a fan of this team in the 70s and 80s? We could be missing the playoffs, year after year with no sign of getting better. Would that be better than being a contender that struggles with some consistency issues?
Anyways, I think you are misunderstanding what I'm trying to say. I see that some people have already convinced themselves that LA is going to win this series, and if you were a betting man that would be a good bet at this point, but we all want them to pull through and win this series so lets not start cannibalizing this team while they still have some life left. We have to lose two more games. Why not be a little more patient with your eulogy so you can maintain a little credibility if the Canucks pull through.
I wasn't a fan in the 70s/80s, so I can't relate to that type of hockey. I guess that's why peoples perspectives of a true fan are different. Someone might think of it as being a fan when the Nucks missed the playoffs 13 years in a row(or something like that Wet can confirm this for me) others find it as still being a fan after being so close to it all. I guess it depends on the person.
I get your metaphor. My bad, it went over my head. I agree, their is still a fighting chance and right now is not the time to be purchasing the tombstone. This is the time where they need the most support. There's a chance. It's up to the team to take it.
The Canucks are facing some real adversity this time around in the playoffs (being down). These are the moments where the team needs to take a good, hard look in the mirror and decide whether or not they want this.
Those fans think they're elite "hardcore" fans and will call you a bandwagon fan if you even criticize the team in anyway.
The thing is... there's a difference between criticizing the team, and acting like it's over... There are people on here saying that Gillis should have traded Hodgson for a more proven veteran... or not traded Hodgson at all Jesus Christ, that's not very reasonable at all... At least give Kassian the chance to make an impact this series... The series isn't over... That's not being optimistic... That's just being fair (before drilling him down, and Gillis down for making the trade)... I'm all for negativity (I enjoy total darkness, as much as I enjoy sunlight on my face)... but there's a difference between being negative "per game" (Canucks sucked that game, they lost), and being negative "overall" (the Canucks sucked this playoffs, major changes needed)... Give something a bloody chance to work, before writing it off as a mistake...
If Oilers fans can sit through an entire season of the debacle Steve Tambellini and co put out on the ice day in day out, you guys should be able to stay and cheer for your team for entire PLAY OFF GAME.
God, us in Edmonton would kill for games in the playoffs.
You don't see it like planning a funeral when a loved one is in the hospital with a decent chance they will pull through?
Exactly. Believe me, I don't think I'm any better a fan than anyone else, and a lot of the players frustrate me, but there is a segment of this fanbase that seems to invite failure to either pacify themselves or to be "right" or something.
Like I said in my first post, criticism and analysis are fine, but threads like "Will you be happy to be rid of Luongo?" make me beyond angry. It reeks of anticipated defeat.
will copy and paste my mini-rant from the game 3 thread
Shame on 75% of this fanbase...It's not over until it's over, we have a very good team that's been massively underachieving. You never know what's going to happen in the next few games, how many times have the Canucks lost 3 straight games this year versus winning 3 or 4 straight? They play great in Cali and one win will put all the pressure back on Los Angeles.
I think we have every right to be pissed at the effort so far but you should now be looking forward to the Canucks getting back in the series on Sunday, not making off-season proposals in the arm-chair GM thread and booking Kesler a tee time for Thursday...
I for one don't think this series is anywhere near over, even without Daniel, and if this team can find a rallying point I have no doubt they can swing momentum pretty damn quick, here's hoping the Staples Center is full of Canucks fans.
