will copy and paste my mini-rant from the game 3 thread
Shame on 75% of this fanbase...It's not over until it's over, we have a very good team that's been massively underachieving. You never know what's going to happen in the next few games, how many times have the Canucks lost 3 straight games this year versus winning 3 or 4 straight? They play great in Cali and one win will put all the pressure back on Los Angeles.
I think we have every right to be pissed at the effort so far but you should now be looking forward to the Canucks getting back in the series on Sunday, not making off-season proposals in the arm-chair GM thread and booking Kesler a tee time for Thursday...
I for one don't think this series is anywhere near over, even without Daniel, and if this team can find a rallying point I have no doubt they can swing momentum pretty damn quick, here's hoping the Staples Center is full of Canucks fans.
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No offense but if you honestly beleive this team is coming back from 2-0 you're naive.
This team has felt an entitlement since day one that they should be back in the SCF to "redeem themselves" for losing last year.
Unfortunately they haven't put in the same effort as last year, are not nearly as good and look like a third rate team.
They have played crap hockey since December and their powerplay is nothing short of the worst in the league since then as well.
I'm not surprised everyone hates the Canucks and its fans because they feel they are entitled to everything when they have no right to.
I'm all for supporting your team but you have to be realistic.
This team has not shown anything in the form of playing like a Cup contender. There is always some crap excuse: "Daniel's injured, Kesler's just waiting for the playoffs, Bieksa will turn into 2011 playoff mode". Sorry, it doesn't work that way.
Everyone is allowed to voice their opinion and good for you for still supporting them and having the faith when they are down 2-0.
But people on here should not crap on people when they have a legitimate beef with this team.
It will always be like this until this team finally wins a Cup.
Right now, it's not looking like that will happen any time soon.
Agree with OP.
I was at the game last night, had a great time with my 15 year old. Sure, we want to win, and the PP was pretty bad (Hamhuis?) but the crowd that was vocal last night, save for a few, us included) turned so ugly and negative. You hear them complain about Kesler and Bur chirping and whining, yet they chant REFS YOU SUCK. Like that's gunna help.
will copy and paste my mini-rant from the game 3 thread
Shame on 75% of this fanbase...It's not over until it's over, we have a very good team that's been massively underachieving. You never know what's going to happen in the next few games, how many times have the Canucks lost 3 straight games this year versus winning 3 or 4 straight? They play great in Cali and one win will put all the pressure back on Los Angeles.
I think we have every right to be pissed at the effort so far but you should now be looking forward to the Canucks getting back in the series on Sunday, not making off-season proposals in the arm-chair GM thread and booking Kesler a tee time for Thursday...
I for one don't think this series is anywhere near over, even without Daniel, and if this team can find a rallying point I have no doubt they can swing momentum pretty damn quick, here's hoping the Staples Center is full of Canucks fans.
The Stanley cup champs from last year lost there first two home games in the first round last year. This team is capable of winning this series in 6. Then again, with the confidence they're playing with atm, they are just as capable of dropping the next two. I intend to cheer for them until either of those things happens, and again next year, or in round 2.
I think it's fair for people to have questions, criticisms, etc. But at a certain point you have to get behind your team and support them. Rather than boo your goaltender on his birthday, while in the midst of a PT run and after he's played so well all year. Seriously, i ****ing hate some of our fans sometimes. Anyways.
I still think if the Nucks play like they are capable of, they can turn this around in a hurry. But this year hasn't instilled as much confidence as last years offensive juggernaut of a team. I wish they would summon a bit of that old magic. Stop playing so frantic, and have a bit of fun out there as well. I don't know what is wrong, but this series is still far from over. Well, it is technically half way over, but it's not too late! One game, one win at a time. I still believe.
Booing our starting goalie off the ice on his birthday was a classic. And we wonder why we're seen as classless.
Everyone has valid complaints about this team. Turning on them with that degree of venom, though, makes me ashamed to be called a Canucks fan.
I may not be super positive and optimistic about this situation, but i'm certainly not giving up on the team like some seem to have either.
In any event, the thing that really irks me, is the atmosphere in Rogers Arena. It seems like a microcosm of what this thread is talking about. It's like people are just there to watch like it's a movie or opera or something. Clap when the sign says clap, cheer when the man says 'make some nooooooiiise'. What little enthusiasm and excitement there has been at the start of games immediately fades away at the first sign of things not going the Canucks way. There's the whining about the refs, the contrived 'kings suck' type chants, and people streaming to the exits while the team tries to battle to the end. There's just never that unbridled enthusiasm bubbling over. No real support and encouragement, until something positive has already happened. When the team is in tough and have a key faceoff, it should sound like the building is going to rattle to pieces. Instead, the crowd sits unenthused, waiting for something good to happen before they waste their precious cheers. No encouragement or energy for the team to feed off of.
It's this sense of entitlement, that the fans somehow deserve a goal or a win, or the cup, or whatever it is at the moment. It's expecting rather than supporting. It's one of the big reasons other fans seem to hate the Canucks fanbase so deeply. That attitude of entitlement.
I don't have the good fortune of being in a location or financial position to attend all of these playoff games, but if i did...you best believe i would be giving the sort of effort as a fan that i want to see out of the team on the ice. Hopefully there are more home games for this to improve.
/rant. Just wanted to get that off my chest. Cheers.
I was at last nights game. The over all effort was a joke. Our coaching staff doesn't seem to get that Sutter and his boys are on to our PP technique, the only strong individual efforts (which seem to be what has been paying dividends) are few and far between, and our entire defense, less one player, was awful for both games.
Focus on the strong points. Ballard and Luongo played very well. Hansen has the emotion we all are calling for (even if it somehow got him 14 minutes in penalties for trying to fight Doughty). Ebbett is providing....physicality? I did not see that coming. I can just hope that the rest of the team are inspired by what the few bright spots were doing, and with the news on Daniel, that they weren't just waiting for reinforcements.
I wonder if this thread will get even a fraction of posts/views compared to the "any other fans dislike Kesler?" thread started days before the beginning of the playoffs. The amount of attention that thread gets says a lot to me about the nature of the Vancouver fanbase. Not "Kesler discussion" or some other title, no. It's do you *dislike* the guy. Like you know him personally. Little things like that. Its little wonder why i only watch games with certain Nuck "fans."
I was at last nights game. The over all effort was a joke. Our coaching staff doesn't seem to get that Sutter and his boys are on to our PP technique, the only strong individual efforts (which seem to be what has been paying dividends) are few and far between, and our entire defense, less one player, was awful for both games.
Focus on the strong points. Ballard and Luongo played very well. Hansen has the emotion we all are calling for (even if it somehow got him 14 minutes in penalties for trying to fight Doughty). Ebbett is providing....physicality? I did not see that coming. I can just hope that the rest of the team are inspired by what the few bright spots were doing, and with the news on Daniel, that they weren't just waiting for reinforcements.
what was up with that btw? That infuriated me. Like that doesnt happen at all in the playoffs??? And Kings get a PP out of it? I had to turn the volume off also when Simpson started in like it was a perfectly normal and reasonable call.
There is a reason why some teams home rinks are better than others. I almost wonder if home ice is a disadvantage for Nucks sometimes. Sorry, i'm angry this morning. Need to chill out, i know. I apologize. Just wish the fans could give the team a boost with some noise and show of support, rather than whiny self entitlement kind of vibe all the time.
One win tomorrow and we'll all be changing our tune. While the team has not really impressed me once this year, I believe they have what it takes to come back.
Let's cheer for the team, screw the debbie downers.
We were the best road team in the league this year, something to inspire a bit of confidence.
I may not be super positive and optimistic about this situation, but i'm certainly not giving up on the team like some seem to have either.
In any event, the thing that really irks me, is the atmosphere in Rogers Arena. It seems like a microcosm of what this thread is talking about. It's like people are just there to watch like it's a movie or opera or something. Clap when the sign says clap, cheer when the man says 'make some nooooooiiise'. What little enthusiasm and excitement there has been at the start of games immediately fades away at the first sign of things not going the Canucks way. There's the whining about the refs, the contrived 'kings suck' type chants, and people streaming to the exits while the team tries to battle to the end. There's just never that unbridled enthusiasm bubbling over. No real support and encouragement, until something positive has already happened. When the team is in tough and have a key faceoff, it should sound like the building is going to rattle to pieces. Instead, the crowd sits unenthused, waiting for something good to happen before they waste their precious cheers. No encouragement or energy for the team to feed off of.
It's this sense of entitlement, that the fans somehow deserve a goal or a win, or the cup, or whatever it is at the moment. It's expecting rather than supporting. It's one of the big reasons other fans seem to hate the Canucks fanbase so deeply. That attitude of entitlement.
I don't have the good fortune of being in a location or financial position to attend all of these playoff games, but if i did...you best believe i would be giving the sort of effort as a fan that i want to see out of the team on the ice. Hopefully there are more home games for this to improve.
/rant. Just wanted to get that off my chest. Cheers.
I may not be super positive and optimistic about this situation, but i'm certainly not giving up on the team like some seem to have either.
In any event, the thing that really irks me, is the atmosphere in Rogers Arena. It seems like a microcosm of what this thread is talking about. It's like people are just there to watch like it's a movie or opera or something. Clap when the sign says clap, cheer when the man says 'make some nooooooiiise'. What little enthusiasm and excitement there has been at the start of games immediately fades away at the first sign of things not going the Canucks way. There's the whining about the refs, the contrived 'kings suck' type chants, and people streaming to the exits while the team tries to battle to the end. There's just never that unbridled enthusiasm bubbling over. No real support and encouragement, until something positive has already happened. When the team is in tough and have a key faceoff, it should sound like the building is going to rattle to pieces. Instead, the crowd sits unenthused, waiting for something good to happen before they waste their precious cheers. No encouragement or energy for the team to feed off of.
It's this sense of entitlement, that the fans somehow deserve a goal or a win, or the cup, or whatever it is at the moment. It's expecting rather than supporting. It's one of the big reasons other fans seem to hate the Canucks fanbase so deeply. That attitude of entitlement.
I don't have the good fortune of being in a location or financial position to attend all of these playoff games, but if i did...you best believe i would be giving the sort of effort as a fan that i want to see out of the team on the ice. Hopefully there are more home games for this to improve.
/rant. Just wanted to get that off my chest. Cheers.
I agree with all of this. The fans you are talking about are a reflection of what this city has become. Vancouver is full of itself and it used to have blue collar roots (think Pacific Coliseum days) but now it's a city full of fake millionaires because their house went up in value.
I always found the Rogers crowd to be hesitant. Do crowds in Premiership soccer games need to be told to cheer?? It's pathetic I hate that scoreboard cheering crap but that shows the amount of heart that alot of fans have.
When the going gets tough, the tough get going. Being down 2-0 is bleak but you have no right to call yourself a true fan if you're packing it in already.
I wonder if this thread will get even a fraction of posts/views compared to the "any other fans dislike Kesler?" thread started days before the beginning of the playoffs. The amount of attention that thread gets says a lot to me about the nature of the Vancouver fanbase. Not "Kesler discussion" or some other title, no. It's do you *dislike* the guy. Like you know him personally. Little things like that. Its little wonder why i only watch games with certain Nuck "fans."
Like the 'we already lost thread' started with 4 minutes remaining in the game? I get the passion, we all want to win so bad that sometimes we react negatively...maybe too negatively.
I thought we had moments last night, but we need to go a full 60 and I think this team can do that.
Like the 'we already lost thread' started with 4 minutes remaining in the game? I get the passion, we all want to win so bad that sometimes we react negatively...maybe too negatively.
I thought we had moments last night, but we need to go a full 60 and I think this team can do that.
Didn't catch that one, gladly. I think they may actually play better on the road. Win game 3 and its a whole new ball game. This team has heart. Has the same basic core group as last year, there is no reason why they can't pull it off. Lot of guys need to play better, Edler for one. I'm not even averse to starting Schneider at this point, not that Lou has been that bad, but they seem like a different team sometimes with Schneider in net. Give the lineup a new look, it wouldn't be a bad decision imo, and i am a Lou fan, just something needs to give here.
I may not be super positive and optimistic about this situation, but i'm certainly not giving up on the team like some seem to have either.
In any event, the thing that really irks me, is the atmosphere in Rogers Arena. It seems like a microcosm of what this thread is talking about. It's like people are just there to watch like it's a movie or opera or something. Clap when the sign says clap, cheer when the man says 'make some nooooooiiise'. What little enthusiasm and excitement there has been at the start of games immediately fades away at the first sign of things not going the Canucks way. There's the whining about the refs, the contrived 'kings suck' type chants, and people streaming to the exits while the team tries to battle to the end. There's just never that unbridled enthusiasm bubbling over. No real support and encouragement, until something positive has already happened. When the team is in tough and have a key faceoff, it should sound like the building is going to rattle to pieces. Instead, the crowd sits unenthused, waiting for something good to happen before they waste their precious cheers. No encouragement or energy for the team to feed off of.
It's this sense of entitlement, that the fans somehow deserve a goal or a win, or the cup, or whatever it is at the moment. It's expecting rather than supporting. It's one of the big reasons other fans seem to hate the Canucks fanbase so deeply. That attitude of entitlement.
I don't have the good fortune of being in a location or financial position to attend all of these playoff games, but if i did...you best believe i would be giving the sort of effort as a fan that i want to see out of the team on the ice. Hopefully there are more home games for this to improve.
/rant. Just wanted to get that off my chest. Cheers.
Unfortunately the crowd in Vancouver is a primarily corporate crowd that really doesn't give a crap unless the Canucks are winning. It has been like that for atleast the last half dozen years.
When tickets prices are what they are, that's likely going to be the csae for the forseeable future.
It's why I'd rather watch the game at home or with friends who actually care how the Canucks play and not just about "taking your client to a game".
The funeral analogy is awful-- This situation is more a case of someone going "I don't think he's going to make it" when things look bleak-- It's a completely fair thing to think or feel behind the scenes (obviously we're not talking about directly telling the person who's hospitalized or yelling it out at Kesler if you see him walking down the street or something).
The OP's complaint would be the equivalent of reacting to "I don't think he's going to make it" with "That's a horrible thing to think! Just have faith that he'll make it!". It sounds great, and good for you if you feel that way yourself, but it isn't fair at all to argue that everyone needs to subscribe to this line of thinking all the time, and someone who acts possessive and self-righteous about being a better person or fan just because you act that way is a complete ***-hole who I have no respect for as far as I'm concerned. Personally (and I know he means well by it, so don't take this as an attack or anything), I think if anyone should feel ashamed of themselves for the way they're acting, it's the OP for acting like he's better than anyone else.
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That's debatable, at a minimum.
There are now plenty of behavioural studies showing perpetual negativity isn't liked precisely because it is more likely to lead to negative outcomes.
I really hate this way of thinking. Something's more practical this way so everyone should act accordingly even if it goes against how they actually feel. Personally I don't care if being negative results in a more negative outcome-- if you're feeling negative about something, feel negative about it. It's not any more noble or valuable or respectable to take the path of least resistance, IMO-- it's just easier for you and everyone else.
Someone who acts negatively about things that they feel negative about may be less easy to get along with, and may have a tougher time going through life in general, but personally, I respect someone who's bitterness gets a little annoying sometimes but you know is being completely honest and wearing their personal emotions on their sleeve a helluva lot more than someone who acts like an always optimistic, self-righteous and condescending politician just so that everyone likes them more and they're easier to get along with.
My argument's spiraling into something else completely unrelated, I know, but that line of thinking really bothers me on a personal level and I couldn't disagree with it more.
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Really?
I get where some of the self loathing negativity comes from. Canuck fans have had a tough go of things and the rest of the league wants to see it stay that way. If the team loses then sure, let's make some changes, like we do every year, but don't kid anybody, they will be back next year ready to throw the team under the bus as soon as they don't meet their expectations once again.
I forget who it was but one poster famously swore he was done with the Canucks when they lost to the Bruins and was sheepishly back in no time claiming temporary insanity. If you have been a fan for a while you understand that things can so, so much worse than they currently are. I get upset too, yell at my TV, but don't come on here and vent on other posters raising the collective blood pressure higher than it already is. In my view these fans are a liability to the team. The media, local and national, picks up on their moaning and paints the whole fan base with that same brush. I see these fans believing and exemplifying the stereotype that the rest of the league pins on us.
I don't feel like we're talking about these people. Obviously if you stop caring about/following the team, you're less of a fan, but if you're simply complaining about and have a bleak and negative outlook about a series or a game, that's a different thing entirely. You can believe your team is done and still continue to follow the team hopeful that you'll be proven wrong or that they'll progress and possibly do better in the future.
I feel that it's unfair that it seems like the people who feel negative about our chances get lumped in with the guys who boo Luongo, or worse yet, riot. They're not the same class of fan at all.
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There are four things needed for success... (1) capability; (2) luck; (3) hard work; and (4) support...
As fans, (1), (2), and (3) are totally out of our control... We're just active observers... We can't control the Canucks capability, luck, or hard work... The only thing that we can control (in helping the team reach success) is provide support... It's easy to give support when things are going well... When capability, luck, and hard work are largely pulling support along for the ride... It's when things aren't going well (capability, luck, and/or hard work are lacking), when support is really needed to help reach success...
Fans don't have to give support... but the theory is out there for anyone to digest... You need support to become successful... Granted, a fans support is probably down the list of support the team needs to make a big difference... But, as a typical Canuck fan, the only thing that can be done now, to help the team succeed, is rally behind the team... That's the only contribution that a typical fan can make... And besides, what's the alternative? You put yourself in a bad mood, and make yourself a bear to be around for your significant others, friends, and family (and posters here on Canuck message boards)... The only good that can be done is to remain positive, and support the team... The Canucks are down two games... That's a fact... There are at least two more games to go... That's a fact...
In the meantime, we can each decide how much support we each want to provide, and how good of a mood we each want to be in... We can choose to be either "good" (and provide much support, best for the team and those we're around), "bad" (and provide little support, worst for the team and those we're around), or a mixture of the two... We can decide how we are going to interact with others, and interact with the team (mainly, probably, those at Rogers Arena or the Canucks we see on the street / or tweet)... The bottom line is fans can decide to make a positive contribution, do nothing, or do a self-serving / self-gratifying act...
There is still at least as much hockey to go this series, as has been played... I'm not arrogant enough to tell anyone how they should feel, or how much support they need to provide, in the meantime... I don't think that people should tell anyone how they should feel and act... Even though good things can come from support, IMHO, people shouldn't be called out for not providing it... IMHO, anyone is free to feel and do whatever (and however) they want... And it goes both ways... Don't piss on "the intolerable positive people" either... Perhaps it's naive to think that the Canucks can come back (although I really don't think it is), but if support can help the team reach success (as research suggests) and it makes people much more tolerable to be around (real life and on here), then why is that a bad thing? How is it anything but a good thing?
Besides, once this season is over for the Canucks (whenever that is), there is lots of time to analyze what went wrong, and armchair fix it... Armageddon is coming (according to the two old ladies who just rang my doorbell)... Do you/I/we spend the last day on earth depressed about what went wrong... or do you/I/we spend the last day on earth enjoying life? Please excuse me, while I get my shotgun...
There are four things needed for success... (1) capability; (2) luck; (3) hard work; and (4) support...
As fans, (1), (2), and (3) are totally out of our control... We're just active observers... We can't control the Canucks capability, luck, or hard work... The only thing that we can control (in helping the team reach success) is provide support... It's easy to give support when things are going well... When capability, luck, and hard work are largely pulling support along for the ride... It's when things aren't going well (capability, luck, and/or hard work are lacking), when support is really needed to help reach success...
Fans don't have to give support... but the theory is out there for anyone to digest... You need support to become successful... Granted, a fans support is probably down the list of support the team needs to make a big difference... But, as a typical Canuck fan, the only thing that can be done now, to help the team succeed, is rally behind the team... That's the only contribution that a typical fan can make... And besides, what's the alternative? You put yourself in a bad mood, and make yourself a bear to be around for your significant others, friends, and family (and posters here on Canuck message boards)... The only good that can be done is to remain positive, and support the team... The Canucks are down two games... That's a fact... There are at least two more games to go... That's a fact...
In the meantime, we can each decide how much support we each want to provide, and how good of a mood we each want to be in... We can choose to be either "good" (and provide much support, best for the team and those we're around), "bad" (and provide little support, worst for the team and those we're around), or a mixture of the two... We can decide how we are going to interact with others, and interact with the team (mainly, probably, those at Rogers Arena or the Canucks we see on the street / or tweet)... The bottom line is fans can decide to make a positive contribution, do nothing, or do a self-serving / self-gratifying act...
There is still at least as much hockey to go this series, as has been played... I'm not arrogant enough to tell anyone how they should feel, or how much support they need to provide, in the meantime... I don't think that people should tell anyone how they should feel and act... Even though good things can come from support, IMHO, people shouldn't be called out for not providing it... IMHO, anyone is free to feel and do whatever (and however) they want... And it goes both ways... Don't piss on "the intolerable positive people" either... Perhaps it's naive to think that the Canucks can come back (although I really don't think it is), but if support can help the team reach success (as research suggests) and it makes people much more tolerable to be around (real life and on here), then why is that a bad thing? How is it anything but a good thing?
Besides, once this season is over for the Canucks (whenever that is), there is lots of time to analyze what went wrong, and armchair fix it... Armageddon is coming (according to the two old ladies who just rang my doorbell)... Do you/I/we spend the last day on earth depressed about what went wrong... or do you/I/we spend the last day on earth enjoying life? Please excuse me, while I get my shotgun...
I may not be super positive and optimistic about this situation, but i'm certainly not giving up on the team like some seem to have either.
In any event, the thing that really irks me, is the atmosphere in Rogers Arena. It seems like a microcosm of what this thread is talking about. It's like people are just there to watch like it's a movie or opera or something. Clap when the sign says clap, cheer when the man says 'make some nooooooiiise'. What little enthusiasm and excitement there has been at the start of games immediately fades away at the first sign of things not going the Canucks way. There's the whining about the refs, the contrived 'kings suck' type chants, and people streaming to the exits while the team tries to battle to the end. There's just never that unbridled enthusiasm bubbling over. No real support and encouragement, until something positive has already happened. When the team is in tough and have a key faceoff, it should sound like the building is going to rattle to pieces. Instead, the crowd sits unenthused, waiting for something good to happen before they waste their precious cheers. No encouragement or energy for the team to feed off of.
It's this sense of entitlement, that the fans somehow deserve a goal or a win, or the cup, or whatever it is at the moment. It's expecting rather than supporting. It's one of the big reasons other fans seem to hate the Canucks fanbase so deeply. That attitude of entitlement.
I don't have the good fortune of being in a location or financial position to attend all of these playoff games, but if i did...you best believe i would be giving the sort of effort as a fan that i want to see out of the team on the ice. Hopefully there are more home games for this to improve.
/rant. Just wanted to get that off my chest. Cheers.
So many things are spot on here, I quoted it all.
Yet, we wonder why others hate Canucks and their fans.
If I wasnt having such a good time feeling lucky enough to be there last night with family (or friends) I would have told the 6 or 7 D-bags behind us last night to shut up, instead, we tried to cheer louder.
ps. I saw Orr and Dryden play at the Pacific Coliseum, before you suggest Im a new fan.
They've been ripped. As they should be. They've been awful. The mood around this board, though, reminds me so much of when Chicago came back and ties the series 3-3 last year. "It's over!" "They suck!" "I knew it!"
It wasn't, they didn't, and hardly. Every single naysayer was digging through their pockets for their crumpled transfer, hoping to clamber back on the bandwagon.
I may not be super positive and optimistic about this situation, but i'm certainly not giving up on the team like some seem to have either.
In any event, the thing that really irks me, is the atmosphere in Rogers Arena. It seems like a microcosm of what this thread is talking about. It's like people are just there to watch like it's a movie or opera or something. Clap when the sign says clap, cheer when the man says 'make some nooooooiiise'. What little enthusiasm and excitement there has been at the start of games immediately fades away at the first sign of things not going the Canucks way. There's the whining about the refs, the contrived 'kings suck' type chants, and people streaming to the exits while the team tries to battle to the end. There's just never that unbridled enthusiasm bubbling over. No real support and encouragement, until something positive has already happened. When the team is in tough and have a key faceoff, it should sound like the building is going to rattle to pieces. Instead, the crowd sits unenthused, waiting for something good to happen before they waste their precious cheers. No encouragement or energy for the team to feed off of.
It's this sense of entitlement, that the fans somehow deserve a goal or a win, or the cup, or whatever it is at the moment. It's expecting rather than supporting. It's one of the big reasons other fans seem to hate the Canucks fanbase so deeply. That attitude of entitlement.
I don't have the good fortune of being in a location or financial position to attend all of these playoff games, but if i did...you best believe i would be giving the sort of effort as a fan that i want to see out of the team on the ice. Hopefully there are more home games for this to improve.
/rant. Just wanted to get that off my chest. Cheers.
I think this also extends to the team.
Guys like Kesler, Bieksa, all seem to think they are entitled based on what happened last year. I have not seen once of what they brought last year to this season let alone the playoffs.
Until they change it around and show what they are capable of, I think the majority of Canuck "fans" will be in the same boat.
They are thinking they should be winning instead of going out and doing it.
