First off, Burke won't manage to do this deal. As the article mentions, teams rarely trade first overall picks.
Secondly, Yakupov doesn't fit our needs nor do I see him as a generational talent. If we were in this position 2 years from now, and McDavid was at stake, I would be more excited.
But for conversations sake, lets say that Edmonton doesn't need this pick as much as in other years, creating a window of opportunity. This is what I would do:
Target Columbus. These guys must be mad at getting 2nd overall. I think they might be bitter and value their 2nd lower than other teams would have (that did not "lose" to get 2nd). Thus, we try to get that pick. Finding something that would make cbj bite is tricky though. My best suggestion would be to trade:
1) Lupul. I love Lupul. My favorite player on the leafs. But, Burke can trade him as an all-star ppg player. His value is higher than it has ever been (and maybe higher than it ever will be).
2) Add a combination of prospects to Lupul. Lets say blacker/holzer as well as colborne/biggs. If cbj explicitly asks for scrivens (needing a goalie), I would switch blacker/holzer for scrivens.
Once we acquire the 2nd, the rest is easy. We offer the 2nd and 5th for Edmonton in an offer they shouldn't refuse. They basically get Murray, the best dman in the draft. Also, they can select galchenyuk at 5th.
The biggest problem to this deal would be shipping Lupul to C-bus. His contract ends in a year, and he might not resign. If we resign him before trading him, cbj also will be reluctant because of how hard the Carter deal failed. Also, Lupul is older, and may not fit the bill of a year 1 rebuilding team. But, whatever, that's my rough idea just for conersations sake
Having seen Yakupov play numerous times, I'd love it if the Leafs could find a way to trade for the number 1 pick. I wouldn't sell the farm to make a trade though. If they could do it for the #5 pick, Franson or Schenn, MacArthur and Colborne, I would do it. But I wouldn't be trading picks #5 and #35, Franson or Schenn, Kadri, Ashton and Frattin. I think that's too much to give up when they could potentionally land Grigorenko or Galchenyuk with the #5 pick.
Hopefully they can get one of those two at pick number 5. If they both get taken before the Leafs pick, I wouldn't mind them trading down and getting more picks. If they could trade #5 to Washington for #11 and #16 and draft Gaunce and Subban, I'd be pretty happy.
As a huge Oilers fan for a very long time, I have been patient and rather enjoyed watching this rebuild take shape. We have a tremendous core of great young talent and seem to be missing just a couple of key pieces. After winning the lottery my immediate thought was: trade it.
My question is this: do we trade this pick now and try and get into the market while there are some good options? Rick Nash is going to move and Jarome Iginla is likely to move (after his comments last week). Two big guys that could score goals and don't want to be part of a full rebuild: Well, ours is almost complete! Your thoughts?
Dakota Bell
Red Deer
A: It really was an incredible stroke of good luck. First pick overall carries obvious benefits and the marketability and impact of this pick for certain teams is huge. However, the Oilers are past that stage and are ready to dangle some assets to satisfy their remaining needs. Steve Tambellini says Edmonton would like to add one...maybe two top-end defencemen and the availability of top pick in the NHL Draft will encourage a number of trade discussions between now and June. Last year, Tambellini listened to the tire kickers, but never seriously considered moving the pick that ultimately landed Ryan Nugent-Hopkins. His approach this spring is different and the willingness to truly investigate all options and scenarios is strong. I don't see Iginla or Nash a fit in Edmonton, but any team willing to part with a top pairing d-man, who fits into the 20-something dynamic of the Oilers blueprint, will most definitely catch Tambellini's attention.
The article says they want a top-pairing type, not a Norris-candidate type.
At 27, he also fits into every age bracket in the NHL. Just entering typical d-man prime years.
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but any team willing to part with a top pairing d-man, who fits into the 20-something dynamic of the Oilers blueprint, will most definitely catch Tambellini's attention.
20-something dynamic, meaning low-20's.
Would you trade the 1st overall for just a "top-pairing" guy? No. You'd want a Norris top-pairing guy. Tambellini is an idiot, but he's not that dumb.
Why not just daft Yakupov and call it a day. They don't need to do anything but draft Nail Yakupov and all this talk of trade most likely won't result in anything.
Why not just daft Yakupov and call it a day. They don't need to do anything but draft Nail Yakupov and all this talk of trade most likely won't result in anything.
Because eventually they have to start filling their other holes like their abysmal D, or their shaky goaltending. And stacking your top 6 with elcs is all fine and dandy, until RNH, Hall, Eberle, Yakupov are going to be demanding $
As a huge Oilers fan for a very long time, I have been patient and rather enjoyed watching this rebuild take shape. We have a tremendous core of great young talent and seem to be missing just a couple of key pieces. After winning the lottery my immediate thought was: trade it.
My question is this: do we trade this pick now and try and get into the market while there are some good options? Rick Nash is going to move and Jarome Iginla is likely to move (after his comments last week). Two big guys that could score goals and don't want to be part of a full rebuild: Well, ours is almost complete! Your thoughts?
Dakota Bell
Red Deer
A: It really was an incredible stroke of good luck. First pick overall carries obvious benefits and the marketability and impact of this pick for certain teams is huge. However, the Oilers are past that stage and are ready to dangle some assets to satisfy their remaining needs. Steve Tambellini says Edmonton would like to add one...maybe two top-end defencemen and the availability of top pick in the NHL Draft will encourage a number of trade discussions between now and June. Last year, Tambellini listened to the tire kickers, but never seriously considered moving the pick that ultimately landed Ryan Nugent-Hopkins. His approach this spring is different and the willingness to truly investigate all options and scenarios is strong. I don't see Iginla or Nash a fit in Edmonton, but any team willing to part with a top pairing d-man, who fits into the 20-something dynamic of the Oilers blueprint, will most definitely catch Tambellini's attention.
No need to start a thread for every article, especially when the article deals with the same subject as another you started recently.
This is a continuation of your other 'Leafs need to make deal with Oilers for top pick'.
First off, Burke won't manage to do this deal. As the article mentions, teams rarely trade first overall picks.
Secondly, Yakupov doesn't fit our needs nor do I see him as a generational talent. If we were in this position 2 years from now, and McDavid was at stake, I would be more excited.
But for conversations sake, lets say that Edmonton doesn't need this pick as much as in other years, creating a window of opportunity. This is what I would do:
Target Columbus. These guys must be mad at getting 2nd overall. I think they might be bitter and value their 2nd lower than other teams would have (that did not "lose" to get 2nd). Thus, we try to get that pick. Finding something that would make cbj bite is tricky though. My best suggestion would be to trade:
1) Lupul. I love Lupul. My favorite player on the leafs. But, Burke can trade him as an all-star ppg player. His value is higher than it has ever been (and maybe higher than it ever will be).
2) Add a combination of prospects to Lupul. Lets say blacker/holzer as well as colborne/biggs. If cbj explicitly asks for scrivens (needing a goalie), I would switch blacker/holzer for scrivens.
Once we acquire the 2nd, the rest is easy. We offer the 2nd and 5th for Edmonton in an offer they shouldn't refuse. They basically get Murray, the best dman in the draft. Also, they can select galchenyuk at 5th.
The biggest problem to this deal would be shipping Lupul to C-bus. His contract ends in a year, and he might not resign. If we resign him before trading him, cbj also will be reluctant because of how hard the Carter deal failed. Also, Lupul is older, and may not fit the bill of a year 1 rebuilding team. But, whatever, that's my rough idea just for conersations sake
Not a chance in hell Columbus does it. They have ZERO interest in Lupul, guarentee you, why would they? They would have control on him for one season and aren't even close to competing. You need to look at other teams needs. Also, I doubt Burke would deal Biggs. He drafted up to grab him.
To go from 5th to 2nd I would say it would take 5th overall, Blacker, our 2nd, Scrivens and Colbourne or something like that. But I'm not sure if I would like the price to move up to 2. I think 2nd overall and Schenn would get it done and they draft Murray. But to move up to 2 I'd want insurance we can get 1st, I have no interest in Grigorenko and I duno if I'd do the price for Murray. I suppose look at the difference between 2nd overall and 5th overall typically and the difference is usually pretty big. But I want Galchenyuk at 5, rather than deal all our peices to move up. After getting Galchenyuk I'd want to go after Nash, as long as Kadri, Gardiner or Kessel are not part of the deal.
That's not what I said. I said that's what they'd be asking for/expecting.
There's a difference.
This man understands it. Kevin Lowe recently said the pick wouldn't be moved unless a trade presented itself that really blew the Oilers' socks off, like a Doughty, Pietrangelo, or Karlsson offer would.
The writers logic (mine as well) is that Yakupov is not only the clear no 1, but hes pretty much the only surefire forward. Grigorenko's skating has been called to a question (have a friend who was at the last 2 Moosehead - Remparts game and he said Mackinnon looked a lot better, faster), Galch hasnt played a season and contrary to popular opinion, its far from certain he will be NHL ready after 1 more junior season.
Fact is, if you look at the past 3 drafts, here were the options at the 5 hole:
2009:
Schenn
Kadri
OEL
Cowan
2010:
El Nino
Fowler
Gormely
Skinner
Connolly
2011:
Strome
Couturier
Zibanejad
Hamilton
Compare that to:
Forsberg / Galch
Dumba
Faksa
Reilly
Trouba
I see a bit of a drop.
With Yakupov we may not address a need, but it adds to our depth on the wing, gives us a guy who could probably put up 50 points in the NHL next year, and could easily make a guy like Macarthur expendable, to use to either upgrade the D, or center position
This is a good argument, though I would prefer going after the #2 pick at less expense or just holding the hand that we have. I think the argument is flawed, though. My point would be that a lot of those #5 possibilities that you mention did not look at the time they were drafted as strong as they turned out to actually be. So your comparison is based partly the wisdom of retrospect. Therefore your argument about the drop in quality seems overly speculative to me.
Not a chance in hell Columbus does it. They have ZERO interest in Lupul, guarentee you, why would they? They would have control on him for one season and aren't even close to competing. You need to look at other teams needs. Also, I doubt Burke would deal Biggs. He drafted up to grab him.
To go from 5th to 2nd I would say it would take 5th overall, Blacker, our 2nd, Scrivens and Colbourne or something like that. But I'm not sure if I would like the price to move up to 2. I think 2nd overall and Schenn would get it done and they draft Murray. But to move up to 2 I'd want insurance we can get 1st, I have no interest in Grigorenko and I duno if I'd do the price for Murray. I suppose look at the difference between 2nd overall and 5th overall typically and the difference is usually pretty big. But I want Galchenyuk at 5, rather than deal all our peices to move up. After getting Galchenyuk I'd want to go after Nash, as long as Kadri, Gardiner or Kessel are not part of the deal.
I thought u could just throw anyones name around that has "high price tag" and people will go for it.
We finally got a ppg player to play with kessel and people just want to trade him lol, rebuild all the years!
