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04-14-2012, 01:42 PM
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Out of everybody, do the Flyers have the deepest group of forwards?

Seems to me like they're the only team with 4 lines that can be counted on to score.

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Yes.

St. Louis is close though.

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Pittsburgh is deeper, they just lack a goalie that can make a save or not put rebounds in the slot.

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Pittsburgh is deeper, they just lack a goalie that can make a save or not put rebounds in the slot.
Thats funny. I remember the score being 8-5 last night. With our "4th line center" who's also a rookie, shutting down their juggernaut star center while netting a hat trick and 4 points.

The flyers are the deepest. It's pretty cut and dry in my opinion.

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Pittsburgh is deeper, they just lack a goalie that can make a save or not put rebounds in the slot.
I meant forwards only. Flyers' goaltending and D are definitely not that strong. Thing is, Pittsburgh has two great stars but can you actually count on their fourth line to do any scoring damage?

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Yes.

St. Louis is close though.
St. Louis barely scores.

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Seems to me like they're the only team with 4 lines that can be counted on to score.
I don't think it is even that close, to be honest. While other teams have better top-lines, I don't think too many can match the Flyers 2nd and 3rd lines--and Couturier and Talbot make a pretty useful 4th line.

(All this before JVR possibly makes his return next week...)

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The Flyers have 10 guys that wouldn't be out of place in a top 6:
Giroux
Jagr
Hartnell
JVR
Schenn
Couturier
Simmonds
Voracek
Read
Briere

Add a guy like Talbot (19 goals) and yea, I think it's safe to say that's the deepest group of forwards in the league.

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Thats funny. I remember the score being 8-5 last night. With our "4th line center" who's also a rookie, shutting down their juggernaut star center while netting a hat trick and 4 points.

The flyers are the deepest. It's pretty cut and dry in my opinion.
So you're willing to go on record to say Couturier is under Talbot on the depth chart for centers? He also played 16:30 TTOI in game 2, more than Briere, Jagr, Voracek, Hartnell, Simmonds, and Schenn but he's the 4th line center?

Or because you put quotation marks you have some hidden meaning in case you're called out?

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So you're willing to go on record to say Couturier is under Talbot on the depth chart for centers? He also played 16:30 TTOI in game 2, more than Briere, Jagr, Voracek, Hartnell, Simmonds, and Schenn but he's the 4th line center?

Or because you put quotation marks you have some hidden meaning in case you're called out?
Couturier is the fourth line center--

The players you mentioned do not play on the PK--that's why he had more TOI.

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Pittsburgh is deeper, they just lack a goalie that can make a save or not put rebounds in the slot.
Listen, I get that Pitt is your team, but take off your yellow tinted glasses for a second. After Crosby, Malkin, and Staal, the talent drops off rapidly.

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So you're willing to go on record to say Couturier is under Talbot on the depth chart for centers? He also played 16:30 TTOI in game 2, more than Briere, Jagr, Voracek, Hartnell, Simmonds, and Schenn but he's the 4th line center?

Or because you put quotation marks you have some hidden meaning in case you're called out?
If Couturier isn't the fourth line center, then Matt Read is. Talbot and Couturier play together.

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So you're willing to go on record to say Couturier is under Talbot on the depth chart for centers? He also played 16:30 TTOI in game 2, more than Briere, Jagr, Voracek, Hartnell, Simmonds, and Schenn but he's the 4th line center?

Or because you put quotation marks you have some hidden meaning in case you're called out?
Yes, the Couturier line is the 4th line, but they are getting more action b/c of Couturier ability to shut down forwards like Malkin.

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In terms of scoring, probably. I wouldn't count on their forwards in the defensive zone though.

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Pittsburgh is deeper, they just lack a goalie that can make a save or not put rebounds in the slot.
Pittsburgh isn't half as deep, they have the 2 best players in the world and Phillys depth advantage more than makes up for it, in terms of depth, flyers are tops in the league, pittsburgh is less than average. They have 3 or 4 great top players then a bunch of career 3rd liners and 4th liners. Dupuis magical run started approximately when paired with Crosby, coincidence? I thinks not.

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In terms of scoring, probably. I wouldn't count on their forwards in the defensive zone though.
Hmm... Talbot, Giroux, couturier, Voracek, hartnell, , schenn are all good to great defensively... To be honest Briere is the only flyer who's inept defensively

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Offensively? Absolutely.

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Yeah not really close.

Even without JVR they have 9 top 6 forwards and as good a 4th line as you could want. And every forward aside from Voracek either has a resume as a playoff performer (Jagr, Briere, Giroux, Talbot, Hartnell) or is the typical highly gritty and/or fast player that really tilts the ice in your favor (Simmonds, Schenn, Couturier, Read, Wellwood, Rinaldo). Voracek's no daisy though. No daisy at all.

If they get Meszaros back they could legitimately go all the way.

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In terms of scoring, probably. I wouldn't count on their forwards in the defensive zone though.
Voracek, Giroux, Schenn, Couturier, Talbot, Simmonds.
Why isn't that a good defensive group?

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In terms of scoring, probably. I wouldn't count on their forwards in the defensive zone though.
I can agree with this. A few are decent defensively, but not enough!

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Pittsburgh is deeper, they just lack a goalie that can make a save or not put rebounds in the slot.
I don't think you understand the meaning of "deep"...it's kind of the opposite of top heavy, which the Pens are. It's not a bad thing, it's just that the Pens have no business in this thread

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In terms of scoring, probably. I wouldn't count on their forwards in the defensive zone though.
Probably fair--though I think they are above average in terms of defensive depth too. If you watched the last part of the third, once the Flyers had the lead, they played quite well in their own zone.

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Seems to me like they're the only team with 4 lines that can be counted on to score.
This would be a correct statement if the same group of 4 lines could prevent goals from being scored.

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Yes they do and it's not close.

Doesn't mean they will win the East though.

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