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04-14-2012, 05:15 PM
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For research: name 5 "clutch" players and 5 "chokers"

Please list exactly 5 of each.

Players you know have a reputation for being clutch or non-clutch are also acceptable to fill out your list or if you want to help but don't like those terms.

This is for research purposes.

Edit: Player doesn't have to be active. Players that started their career in 87 - 88 or later are preferable, however players that played some of their career after that are still usable and it won't ruin anything if you mistakenly include older players. Thanks 96 for reminding me to specify

Edit 2: I can't use your answer in my data unless you list 5 of each. Would really like it if you do that instead of dropping in to say "Add one for this guy!"


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Clutch:
Hasek
Horton
Giroux
Crosby
Thomas

Chokers:
Luongo
H. Sedin
D. Sedin
J. Thornton
Marleau

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If Sakic is not on your clutch list than their is something wrong

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If Sakic is not on your clutch list than their is something wrong
Then help my build (and improve?) my data and create a list that includes him


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Clutch:
Hasek
Horton
Giroux
Crosby
Thomas

Chokers:
Luongo
H. Sedin
D. Sedin
J. Thornton
Marleau
Thanks

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Clutch: Danny Briere, Patrik Elias, Jonathan Toews, Jaromir Jagr & Simon Gagne

Not clutch: Jeff Carter, Alex Semin, Joe Thornton, Patrick Marleau & Ryan Miller

You should really specify if you are looking for current players or if you are looking back in history as well. I assumed you meant current players because people on this board (myself included) are going to have much more knowledge of current or recent players, so some of the most clutch players of the past will be forgotten.

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First players that come to mind

Clutch: Sundin, Sakic, Roy, Messier, Richard

Not: Turgeon, Luongo, Semin, Joseph, Kovalev (the one who we saw 90% of the time, not the motivated one)

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Throw Max Talbot into the clutch player mix just because everyone will go for the big names. That guy doesn't always score goals, but when he does he prefers to score big ones.


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Henrik Sedin
Daniel Sedin
Roberto Luongo
Joe Thorthon
Ryan Miller

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First players that come to mind

Clutch: Sundin, Sakic, Roy, Messier, Richard

Not: Turgeon, Luongo, Semin, Joseph, Kovalev (the one who we saw 90% of the time, not the motivated one)
lol what? Kovalev was a great playoff performer..

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"Clutch" and "choker" are primarily fan-invented concepts. Over a large enough sample size, everyone tends to their career averages. The problem is that, unless you are Lidstrom, a player's post-season career is rarely a large enough sample size.

The major exceptions are instances where there's a high-pressure moment that constitutes the majority of a player's contribution (e.g. An NFL place kicker)

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Throw Max Talbot into the clutch player mix just because everyone will go for the big names. That guy doesn't always score goals, but when he does he prefers to score big ones.

If you would like him to be included in the data, make a list of 5 each and put him on the clutch one.

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Clutch:
Ward
Thomas
Elias
Ovechkin (yeah, I said it.)
Briere

"Chokers"
Thornton
Sedins
Marleau
Semin
Miller

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Eberle deserves a mention for clutch as well.

Clutch: Eberle, Briere, Franzen, Toews, Halak

Choke: Thornton, Marleau, Luongo, Ovechkin, Semin

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Clutch

Claude Lemieux #1
Martin Havlat
Tim Thomas
Toews
Sundin

Not Clutch
Marleau
Thornton
Daniel Sedin
Semin
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Clutch: Briere, Toews, Crosby, Pronger, St.Louis

Choke: Thornton, Sedin, Sedin, Carter, Marleau

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Clutch Eberle.

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lol what? Kovalev was a great playoff performer..
Sometimes. And unfortunately, there are 82 non-playoff games too

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Note that I can't use your answer in my data unless you list exactly 5 of each.

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Eberle deserves a mention for clutch as well.

Clutch: Eberle, Briere, Franzen, Toews, Halak

Choke: Thornton, Marleau, Luongo, Ovechkin, Semin
By Eberle i hope you don't mean the kid who has not played a single game in the playoffs..

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I'm putting a vote in for Joe Pavelski being the clutchiest of the clutch

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Clutch Eberle.
I love his game but lets wait until he has been clutch in the nhl playoffs before we label him.

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Clutch
Jonathan Toews
Daniel Briere
Patrick Kane
Sidney Crosby
Patrik Elias

Choke
Canucks
Capitals
Sharks

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No such thing as clutch or choke in sports. These are concepts imagined up by simpleton sports fans and been exposed to be false time and time again by actual statistical studies.

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Clutch: Joe Sakic, Patrick Roy, Steve Yzerman, Dominik Hasek, Mark Messier
Current: Danny Breire, Brad Richards, Henrik Zetterberg, Tim Thomas, Patrick Elias

Chokers: Thornton

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"Clutch" and "choker" are primarily fan-invented concepts. Over a large enough sample size, everyone tends to their career averages. The problem is that, unless you are Lidstrom, a player's post-season career is rarely a large enough sample size.

The major exceptions are instances where there's a high-pressure moment that constitutes the majority of a player's contribution (e.g. An NFL place kicker)
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No such thing as clutch or choke in sports. These are concepts imagined up by simpleton sports fans and been exposed to be false time and time again by actual statistical studies.

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