It does work if you actually do it more than ONCE ever. Do teams play the bruins and go after the bruins skilled guys all the time? No, becasue the bruins have enough times gone out of their way to settle the score.
Ask Islander fans if their players are being taken advantage of by non goons by pitt after the islanders destoryed them with tough guys a couple times last year.
It may not stop all the other players of other teams but it does stop others. I guess the fact that teams like the bruins get picked on all the time proves that it does not work.
Ask Islander fans how many games they won this year because they're so big and tough.
It does work if you actually do it more than ONCE ever. Do teams play the bruins and go after the bruins skilled guys all the time? No, becasue the bruins have enough times gone out of their way to settle the score.
Ask Islander fans if their players are being taken advantage of by non goons by pitt after the islanders destoryed them with tough guys a couple times last year.
It may not stop all the other players of other teams but it does stop others. I guess the fact that teams like the bruins get picked on all the time proves that it does not work.
Marc Savard had his career ruined by a vicious hit from Matt Cooke just a couple seasons ago. This is the same team that at the time had Lucic, Chara and Thornton. Nathan Horton was blasted into oblivion in the finals last year. He took another late high hit this year and is down for the season with a concussion. Rich Peverly missed 19 games this year after he took a knee on knee from Hal Gill.
This is the toughest SOB team in the league and they can't do a damn thing about having their skilled players getting hit. It is absolutely ludicrous to suggest that any supposed tough guy in the league is going to be able to stop these types of hits occurring. These dangerous hits/plays happen to every team in the league.
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Originally Posted by Beerfish
So you are the type that would nod and smile last year as a canucks fan and shrug your shoulders after marchand punched sedin in the face 5 times in a row with no retribution?
Retribution? No I don't want retribution. I'd like a leader on the team who wouldn't just stand there and take it. I don't want some dumb brick to go out and pound Marchand after it happens. Sedin still stands there like a chump and takes those shots. Someone else who can barely skate beating the crap out of Marchand doesn't change that you've got a coward for a captain.
That didn't even make any sense. Thanks for playing though.
Anything with the Islanders doesn't make sense.
They stood up to Pittsburgh, who is exactly like Boston... Wait, no they're not. I guess Cooke isn't running their players anymore? What about the other 13 teams in their conference?
Marc Savard had his career ruined by a vicious hit from Matt Cooke just a couple seasons ago. This is the same team that at the time had Lucic, Chara and Thornton. Nathan Horton was blasted into oblivion in the finals last year. He took another late high hit this year and is down for the season with a concussion. Rich Peverly missed 19 games this year after he took a knee on knee from Hal Gill. These dangerous hits/plays happen to every team in the league.
This is the toughest SOB team in the league and they can't do a damn thing about having their skilled players getting hit. It is absolutely ludicrous to suggest that any supposed tough guy in the league is going to be able to stop these types of hits occurring.
Retribution? No I don't want retribution. I'd like a leader on the team who wouldn't just stand there and take it. I don't want some dumb brick to go out and pound Marchand after it happens. Sedin still stands there like a chump and takes those shots. Someone else who can barely skate beating the crap out of Marchand doesn't change that you've got a coward for a captain.
So what your saying Spawn, is you would like a leader like, I don't know... Matt Carkner to stand up. And ACTUALLY do something tangible?
They stood up to Pittsburgh, who is exactly like Boston... Wait, no they're not. I guess Cooke isn't running their players anymore? What about the other 13 teams in their conference?
No Cooke isn't pulling **** like that anymore cause the league finnaly answered the bell. Maybe if they did it more often we wouldn't be having this convo?
The issue is there is no an eye for an eye philosophy with this team, a nuclear deterrent ala Big Mac only goes out and crapkicks the other teams tough guy, we need a little Duncan Keith style payback out of our players instead of the turn the other cheek and get bent over mentality.
No Cooke isn't pulling **** like that anymore cause the league finnaly answered the bell. Maybe if they did it more often we wouldn't be having this convo?
I agree entirely. The League should be responsible and unfortunately it's not.
So what your saying Spawn, is you would like a leader like, I don't know... Matt Carkner to stand up. And ACTUALLY do something tangible?
No, what I'm saying is that I'd like player who in the same situation as Sedin was with Marchand might stand up for himself a little bit. As I already said, I have no issue with our players having toughness. I would happily take a Milan Lucic, or Shane Doan or Dustin Brown ect on this team. We need guys like that because they make a team more difficult to play against. We don't need players like that for some vague notion of protection that doesn't work, and we don't need 4 minute a night goons to go out there and take stupid penalties.
It goes far beyond what beerfish stated, or the others here so far.
Almost without fail, when any of our players acted aggressively they were 'rewarded' with limited ice time.
it's not even about payback, but the message renney sends that he won't tolerate physical play. The example is set, and everyone shies away from aggressive play.
When you pay passively you become a target. Not just once in a while, but every shift of every game.
We get a tonne of injuries because we assume the role of punching bag.
I agree entirely. The League should be responsible and unfortunately it's not.
That why a Coach like Detroits says they have to go out and police themselves. Same thing tonite. Now its only spec, but maybe Boyle wouldn't answer the bell. Playoffs do heighten the issue, so to be fair, Renny wouldn't know anything about that scenario.
A player is giving the business multiple times to the Sens best young player. The Sens tough guy goes over and kicks the loving **** out of the Rangers pest and takes a 5 minute major.
Oilers and whoever...regular season...oilers 29th to 30th overall...
Other teams tough guys give the business to our young skilled guys (clean hits or not) and the oilers coaches leash our tough guys and don't want them to take a 5 minute major because we might lose a meangingless game.
And this has gone on all the way back to the MacT era.
And we wonder why teams beat the **** out of our young players....team toughness indeed.
Can you please print off around 150 copy's of this and mail 1 a day to the Oilers head office till it changes.
I disagree totally. It may not help for some players but for some who are cowards that take liberites it will help 100% for sure. Take a guy like Bieksa who will only go after guys he can take advantage of. One big ass whipping by a tough guy and he will not be the same the next game. It makes a big difference and intersting that on the hot stove league they essnetially said the same thing as what I'm saying.
The worst part of it is there is almost no downside to doing it when you are a last place team and yet the oilers would come out with quotes like the one peckham made late in the year. "You can't go taking a major and costing your team the game." Who fed him that bull hooey.
Mike Smith gets steamrolled tonight by the Hawks...Coyotes do nothing physical to retaliate...they score the go ahead goal on the PP and take control of the game.
No, what I'm saying is that I'd like player who in the same situation as Sedin was with Marchand might stand up for himself a little bit. As I already said, I have no issue with our players having toughness. I would happily take a Milan Lucic, or Shane Doan or Dustin Brown ect on this team. We need guys like that because they make a team more difficult to play against. We don't need players like that for some vague notion of protection that doesn't work, and we don't need 4 minute a night goons to go out there and take stupid penalties.
This.
Ultimately, the team has to learn to stand up for themselves AND each other. Finding 'the guy' to become the team-toughness shield for the team the way the league is now is, well, kind of idiotic.
Aaaaaaaaaand its a tie game with 5.5 sec left WTF!!! Shoulda kicked his ass I guess. Who knows? Smith ****in' milked it anyhow. Canucks will be trying to. Trade for him!!
Aaaaaaaaaand its a tie game with 5.5 sec left WTF!!! Shoulda kicked his ass I guess. Who knows? Smith ****in' milked it anyhow. Canucks will be trying to. Trade for him!!
Conformation that Tippett has no clue...poor use of their physical juggernaut Torres. I blame it on Horcoff's contract.
You know what? I think we all agree that the team has to stick up for each other right?
Well, unless it is scripted, how do you know when its the right time for said retribution? Timing is everything, and these guys will do anything right now to get even when the friggin NHL can't pull they're head outa their *****. Win or lose, if we are TRUE hockey fans and we accept the rules as they are written we will accept the fate of teams we cheer for.
We are not playing the game so if said team takes into their own hands then we have to accept consequences, win or lose.
Alfredsson taken out by a cheap hit - no physical retaliation by Ottawa...post game interview by Foligno "dirty hit on Alfredsson and we wanted to win the game for him".
What? Play harder and try to win? Clearly they don't understand that another 5 minute major would have made all the difference...cross Mclean off the list of possible coaching options for the Oilers - no balls.
Most coaches tend to hate floaters that only show up for one out of every 10 games (Eager)
Pretty sure if you checked, Eager wasn't the only bottom 9 that floated. Only diff, he was getting 5-6 mins a game. You JUST MIGHT BE picking on the wrong guy? Hmmmm
Pretty sure if you checked, Eager wasn't the only bottom 9 that floated. Only diff, he was getting 5-6 mins a game. You JUST MIGHT BE picking on the wrong guy? Hmmmm
I know he wasn't the only one. But he and Torres are very similar players.
