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04-15-2012, 07:29 PM
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And what happens when Torts sends out John Scott to clear up "Shanahans mess" by failing to suspend Phillips on a cheap hit on our captain? What Phillips did to Callahan was far worse than what Boyle did to the golden boy. So by using Senators fans logic, if Scott jumps Philips it will be "a great thing for the hockey team" to uses Folignos words.
If the Rangers feel the need to do that, I have no problem with it.

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that's all I've read from them all day.
"Put in Scott so he can take a run at karlsson and get his ass kicked by Carkner/ Neil" give me a break...

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So if Alfredson is done for the play offs Hageelin should only get 1 game?
Please point out where I said that. If he's done for the post-season then the suspension is justified. If he comes back and plays like nothing happened then its BS.

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And what happens when Torts sends out John Scott to clear up "Shanahans mess" by failing to suspend Phillips on a cheap hit on our captain? What Phillips did to Callahan was far worse than what Boyle did to the golden boy. So by using Senators fans logic, if Scott jumps Philips it will be "a great thing for the hockey team" to uses Folignos words.
Please dress Scott Has he learned to skate yet?

If you can't see the difference between the Phillips hit and the Hagelin hit than you might need your eyes examined.

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If the standard 1 playoff=2 reg season gms, then Shanahan believes Hagelin's crime more heinous than Keith concussing DSedin. Laughable.

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If the Rangers feel the need to do that, I have no problem with it.
Yeah, right.

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Do you not know what the Campbell era was?

The Campbell era was filled with inconsistent suspensions such as this. Hence my point.
It's very consistent in the fact that you injure someone your penalty will be worse compaired to not injuring someone.

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And what happens when Torts sends out John Scott to clear up "Shanahans mess" by failing to suspend Phillips on a cheap hit on our captain? What Phillips did to Callahan was far worse than what Boyle did to the golden boy. So by using Senators fans logic, if Scott jumps Philips it will be "a great thing for the hockey team" to uses Folignos words.
Much agreed!

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The fact that you condone that disgraceful display is so far above me that I can't even imagine the plane that your logic must exist on.

All he did was outright assault someone and continue assaulting him when he went down.

It was a targeted play that was likely demanded by your coach.

What Neil did was the way it should have been handled. You go and fight the guy. You don't go and sucker punch him and then beat the **** out of him while he's on the ice. That's disgraceful and doesn't belong in the game.

The Sens opened a can of worms. If you want to condone that behavior, than you better not be complaining about it if it comes back on your team.
Its a bit of a reach to say this was a planned play by the way it was the Ranger who opened this can of worms in game 1.

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Hagelin, a player with no history, gets suspended for potentially the rest of the series for what could be considered a hit gone wrong (didn't seem to be any malicious intent on the play IMO), but guys like Weber who deliberately target the head in a non-hockey play get away with a fine. I'd like a little more consistency.

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Suspendable hit but considering Weber got 0 there's no reason that this should. Shanahan set a terrible precedent and then completely flipped on it. Absolute joke.

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I'd be curious to know if you'd have that same opinion had it been John Scott retaliating against a Sens player like that. Somehow, I suspect not.


And the level of wit in your response is just off the charts.
It's part of the game. If John Scott wants to jump Zenon Konopka for head-locking Brad Richards next game, I have no problem with it. Unlike the Rangers, we'd likely score on the 5min powerplay.

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Please point out where I said that. If he's done for the post-season then the suspension is justified. If he comes back and plays like nothing happened then its BS.
If Shanahan had no way to contract Ottawa or heard anything regarding Alfie's status, how should he got about suspending Hagelin?

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Please dress Scott Has he learned to skate yet?

If you can't see the difference between the Phillips hit and the Hagelin hit than you might need your eyes examined.
Let's be honest, John Scott would play about as much as Matt Carkner did last game.

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It's funny - so would 'legal' bodychecks. So would all the shoving matches after whistles, the slashes, etc...

The entire physical aspect of a hockey game would result in jail time if it wasn't hockey. Same with football or any sport.
Except you're wrong. Outright attacking a player like that is above and beyond the call of the game. Something like that, even in the game of hockey, could warrant an assault charge. Most players don't give much of a **** and would never bother complaining about it.

But there is clear evidence in law that things that are above and beyond the call of the game (which does not include checking, fighting, etc.) could very well end up with criminal punishment for the offender.

No one is actually calling for it, because that'd be pretty stupid for the most part (although it's been called for in the past).

You cannot just go up and attack someone. End of story.

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Lol I'm glad we only have to play this goon team for 3 more games, then we can move on to playing some real games against the Devils.

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Please dress Scott Has he learned to skate yet?

If you can't see the difference between the Phillips hit and the Hagelin hit than you might need your eyes examined.
I was comparing the Callahan/Phillips hit and the Boyle/Karlsson incident...can you even read?

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3 games? Jesus. Yeah right...

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And what happens when Torts sends out John Scott to clear up "Shanahans mess" by failing to suspend Phillips on a cheap hit on our captain? What Phillips did to Callahan was far worse than what Boyle did to the golden boy. So by using Senators fans logic, if Scott jumps Philips it will be "a great thing for the hockey team" to uses Folignos words.
are you rewriting history on purpose? are you forgetting what everyone's been talking about the last half dozen pages? whatever your view, hagelin already took out alfredsson after philips hit callahan. did you forget this happened?

if your coach didn't decide to whisper in the ear of boyle to get into karlsson's kitchen, none of this would have happened. the rangers opened the can of worms, and the entire fanbase is crying when ottawa actually shows they're willing to play that kind of game.

you forget ottawa didn't even dress konopka and carkner in game one, and your coach and players took advantage that. now when things are tilted towards ottawa, you lose your minds. talk about one hell of a hypocritical and self-entitled fanbase.

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It's part of the game. If John Scott wants to jump Zenon Konopka for head-locking Brad Richards next game, I have no problem with it. Unlike the Rangers, we'd likely score on the 5min powerplay.
Only if you can get someone to kick the puck in again...

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You really want the rangers to do something stupid?

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The fact that you condone that disgraceful display is so far above me that I can't even imagine the plane that your logic must exist on.

All he did was outright assault someone and continue assaulting him when he went down.

It was a targeted play that was likely demanded by your coach.

What Neil did was the way it should have been handled. You go and fight the guy. You don't go and sucker punch him and then beat the **** out of him while he's on the ice. That's disgraceful and doesn't belong in the game.

The Sens opened a can of worms. If you want to condone that behavior, than you better not be complaining about it if it comes back on your team.



Jon, you're wasting your time and energy arguing with that guy. It's just not worth it, as nothing you could type would introduce logic and reason into his opinions.


He loves to troll and stir things up.

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This league is disgraceful.

You can outright attack an opposing player and get nothing.

You can turnbuckle a guy's head and get a minor fine.

Yet you can complain about cheapshots and get fined $20,000 and hit a guy high in the same exact manner as an opposing player in the same game and get 3 games while the opposing player gets nothing.

Disgraceful. And people wonder why Rangers fans complain about the league and reffing. ******** double standards like this.
Completely honest question, what punishment would you have given for this hit?

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If Alfredsson head-shotted Hagelin instead of vice versa, I bet the suspension would be less. Hagelin would only get two games. #nhllogic

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This wouldn't be so bad if Shanahan had the balls to make this call every time
Exactly. I don't have a problem with the suspension itself; I have a problem with the way Hagelin's been punished compared to other offenders.

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