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04-17-2012, 11:48 AM
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Folks, anyone that's been concussed knows that it is very difficult to do basic motor skills tasks after having your brain slammed into your skull. There's headaches, nausea, vomiting, balance issues. He could not have gone on to have the game he did if he was concussed. Even if the argument was that it takes time for the symptons to develop. No way. He played 40+ mins after that of professional level hockey.

Being as you've claimed yourself to be well schooled in such matters, I find myself compelled to remind you of the level one concussion. My training in such (although it has been some years back) was that a low level concussion can be difficult to determine.
It has been suggested recently by NHL analysts that given the adrenaline infused playoff situation, the diagnosis can be even more difficult.

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04-17-2012, 11:53 AM
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BEST NEWS i HAVE HEARD ALL WEEK!

So much for rumors.

Korpikoski still a question mark at this point however... let's hope for the best!

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04-17-2012, 11:56 AM
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I've mentioned Ian Laperriere.
To be fair to Laperriere... His concussion was as a result of a puck to the head, he left the game immediately and I don't believe he returned to game play for a few weeks after. This was not the case of him being asked are you good to go... He couldn't go because he was opened up and bleeding profusely. So totally different. Smith exhibited no concerns apparently to the med staff and was allowed to continue. Very scary situation for Lapierre. He took a 90-100 km/hr slapper right to the head. He also was off over summer of course, and in denial, but even he said himself that sometimes the headaches were there at rest. Or he blamed it on a work out. When you exert yourself, you can't hide the symptons. So back to my point, if Smith was concussed he should have been pulled or like any player who takes a head shot, should be escorted to the "dark room" and observed. But, it's pro hockey and the guys have that will to fight through and win. So, time will tell.

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So much for rumors.

Korpikoski still a question mark at this point however... let's hope for the best!
I love Korpi and he has had a tremendous series and impact, but you know we're much more sunk without the big guy in the the net and down the middle. If I had to pick loosing one of the three....

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04-17-2012, 12:02 PM
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I love Korpi and he has had a tremendous series and impact, but you know we're much more sunk without the big guy in the the net and down the middle. If I had to pick loosing one of the three....
I can't argue that logic.

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04-17-2012, 12:03 PM
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He followed it up with a tweet saying Korpikoski is not skating. Not sure who replaces him. That's good news about Smith and Hanzal, though.

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I would assume Brule would fill in for Korpikoski if Hanzal is back in.

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Being as you've claimed yourself to be well schooled in such matters, I find myself compelled to remind you of the level one concussion. My training in such (although it has been some years back) was that a low level concussion can be difficult to determine.
It has been suggested recently by NHL analysts that given the adrenaline infused playoff situation, the diagnosis can be even more difficult.
Current theory is moved away from grading concussions. If you've had any trauma, regardless of direct head contact, and exhibit symptons: headache, dizziness, uconsciousness (but not necessary), vomiting, nasea, "bell ringing", weakness in extremities, un-even strength left/right, short term memory issues ie) what rink are you in?, you should be treated for concussion. So in Smith's case I will agree that he could have experienced no effects right away but within minutes and lulls in the battle, he would have begun experiencing them. OR as so many people are saying he was "woozy" then he should not have been allowed to continue for the sake of his health.

The fact that smith skated this morning is very interesting and one has to wonder what type of suspension Shaw will get. I'm guessing a game, nothing more... Course Shea Weber pounding Zetterburg's head into the glass WWF style didn't result in much. I ask all of you, was that not a travesty? Weber deserved more... Zetterburg played next game., $2500 fine is about a shift or two for Weber. May as well just had him do that, sit out a few shifts or a period.


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04-17-2012, 12:19 PM
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Current theory is moved away from grading concussions. If you've had any trauma, regardless of direct head contact, and exhibit symptons: headache, dizziness, uconsciousness (but not necessary), vomiting, nasea, "bell ringing", weakness in extremities, un-even strength left/right, short term memory issues ie) what rink are you in?, you should be treated for concussion. So in Smith's case I will agree that he could have experienced no effects right away but within minutes and lulls in the battle, he would have begun experiencing them. OR as so many people are saying he was "woozy" then he should not have been allowed to continue for the sake of his health.

The fact that smith skated this morning is very interesting and one has to wonder what type of suspension Shaw will get. I'm guessing a game, nothing more... Course Shea Weber pounding Zetterburg's head into the glass WWF style didn't result in much. I ask all of you, was that not a travesty? Weber deserved more... Zetterburg played next game., $2500 fine is about a shift or two for Weber. May as well just had him do that, sit out a few shifts or a period.

Current theory isn't always best or most accurate theory... see the theory changes in SIDS. It is good to see you backing off your original hard line however.

As for Zetterburg? He deserved it, as do all Red Wings and their fans alike!

Seriously, Shaw is no Weber and right or wrong that's how it works.

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04-17-2012, 12:39 PM
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Current theory isn't always best or most accurate theory... see the theory changes in SIDS. It is good to see you backing off your original hard line however.

As for Zetterburg? He deserved it, as do all Red Wings and their fans alike!

Seriously, Shaw is no Weber and right or wrong that's how it works.
I know Shaw is no Weber, that does not make the conduct right. Weber should have got a suspension.

What about Backstrom's deliberate cross check to the head of Peverley the other night? What people fail to see in that one was it was all started by Ovechkin hitting Peverley directly from behind with about 2 seconds left in the game... He skated into the play when there was already 3, count them, 3 Washington players out manning Peverley... It was totally un-necessary and gutless. Peverley then slashes Ovechkin, Backstrom takes some kind of exception and cross checks Peverley directly across the chops.

I want to see hard hitting (clean), and do away with the stick work, diving and cheap shots. Whether your a skater or a goalie.

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04-17-2012, 01:21 PM
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Smitty must not be concussed - Leighton just cleared re-entry waivers. DM would have snagged him (at essentially no cost) if there were concerns Smith would be unavailable for an extended period.
I don't think Leighton would have been eligible to play for any team besides Philly. He wasn't Phx property at the trade deadline. There is special exception rule if you're out of healthy goalies, but I believe Pogge and some others would be ahead of Leighton on the priority chart.

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I know Shaw is no Weber, that does not make the conduct right. Weber should have got a suspension.

What about Backstrom's deliberate cross check to the head of Peverley the other night? What people fail to see in that one was it was all started by Ovechkin hitting Peverley directly from behind with about 2 seconds left in the game... He skated into the play when there was already 3, count them, 3 Washington players out manning Peverley... It was totally un-necessary and gutless. Peverley then slashes Ovechkin, Backstrom takes some kind of exception and cross checks Peverley directly across the chops.

I want to see hard hitting (clean), and do away with the stick work, diving and cheap shots. Whether your a skater or a goalie.
Nobody ever said it was right, in fact I said "right or wrong".... life's not fair and neither is hockey.

What about Backstrom and Ovechkin? I saw Peverley trip Ovie, but either way it was stupid of Backstrom... agreed.

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04-17-2012, 01:49 PM
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Oh ****!!!! 3 games??

I hope Smitty can still play.

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Guess Shanny finally found something to get upset about these playoffs. I was originally guessing no additional suspension or maybe just one game.

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Too much, and I don't think Smith dove.

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Shanny suspension video here:

http://video.nhl.com/videocenter/con...d=60&id=172552


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In our opinion Shaw does not make a reasonable effort to avoid such contact
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Shaw skates a considerable distance and hits the head of a stationary goaltender who has possession of the puck.
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It is important to note from the top of the playoffs circles to the moment of impact there is no opposing player near Shaw therefore the path he takes to Smith is entirely up to him and the onus is entirely upon Shaw to make every effort to avoid the goalie.


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3 is excessive. I'd have been fine if he was allowed to play. Guess Shanny is trying to make up after that Weber hit.

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It was talked about in the GM meeting this year, they saw plays like this getting closer and closer. they want to make the point that you must stay away from contact with the goalies. its pretty simple

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Guess that ends the debate

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Shaw has a history of this

Shaw made no effort to avoid contact. You can argue from the video that he facilitated it.

Mike Smith has been questionable since the hit.


Three games is fine.

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Guess that ends the debate
Most likely not.

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Some have claimed that Shaw is bigger piece to the success of the Hawks than most people understand. If true, then it is time for the Coyotes to take advantage by playing our game and don't get caught up in anything stupid by the Blackhawks in this series.

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Most likely not.
Ah so true, I thought Doan got too much but a levelheaded person would not have said it looked clean.

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Shaw has a history of this

Shaw made no effort to avoid contact. You can argue from the video that he facilitated it.

Mike Smith has been questionable since the hit.


Three games is fine.
I agree.

Just as there are racing fans who want to see more wrecks, there are hockey fans who want to see more goalies taken out behind the net. I'm fine with the suspension and Shanahans's explanation. I don't want anyone to take out any goalies - but maybe as a parent of an amateur goalie I am biased.

Now, taking out a ref... that's different...

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I'd say a bit too harsh, but I guess that's just me.

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