I don't know if he has a bad influence or not but I can see how he might be a divisive guy at times.
I just think his **** is getting old, he's not very good anymore, and he has too much influence in the locker room. He needs to go if they want to clean house a little bit. Plus I think his physicality is overrated. He throws some nice big hits, but the substance isn't there.
Bylsma should be let go. I don't care about the last 3 years. I don't even care about losing this series. But to be absolutely humiliated against your rivals is inexcusable. I'm not even going to get into his system, adjustments, changes, timeouts, PP, PK, losing the team, etc. Bottom line is, he had a fully healthy team, playing great hockey 3 weeks ago, and it collapsed.
Orpik and Martin must also go, at just about any cost. Martin is awful, and I really think Orpik is about done. Michalek played awful too, but I think in a different system (or a system), he can be a top 4. If Byslma stays though, then Z should go too.
Not much wrong with the offense, except they are undersized, not very physical, and not great defensively. Defense would improve with a new coach/sceme. I think a neutered Cooke isn't worth it. Same with Kennedy. Sure they can score the occassional goal, but we need guys that can forecheck and cycle (kinda like they used to). Adams and Park can go too. I'd love to see a Chris Neil come in to replace Asham.
Regardless, this is the most disappointed I've been in a long time. Even more than after the Steelers humiliating loss to Denver. gonna be a long offseason
Hopefully our entire defense stays in Philly after game 4 and doesn't come back. I don't want to see Orpik, Michalek, and especially Martin step foot in this city again. What a pathetic bunch.
You know, I'm not sure if you could call Shero's history when it comes to signing UFA's-- either his own or of other teams-- 'good'.
I wouldn't say that. Last year Martin and Michalek were very good. Also Fedotenko wasn't horrible considering what he did with Malkin that cup run. Sullivan has also been pretty good. There have been other good role player signings as well.
Every GM hits and misses, but Shero has done a great job all things considered. Also I guarantee you he could have never seen Martin and Michalek completely turning to **** this season. That is obviously a mistake he made, but it's not an egregious one. Now, if he doesn't rectify it...?
dark times when dustin penner is our primary target in the offseason.
RIP our window for another cup.
Pens need size, if Bylsma is going to remain the Pens head coach then we need size and shut down D men, because we aren't getting anywhere with finess and PMD's.
Not Shero's fault for not knowing that Martin and Michalek would start sucking, as with Orpik. Can't blame him for not moving them at the deadline. If he doesn't move Martin this summer, though, he's out of his mind. He is a liability here.
I wouldn't say that. Last year Martin and Michalek were very good. Also Fedotenko wasn't horrible considering what he did with Malkin that cup run. Sullivan has also been pretty good. There have been other good role player signings as well.
Every GM hits and misses, but Shero has done a great job all things considered. Also I guarantee you he could have never seen Martin and Michalek completely turning to **** this season. That is obviously a mistake he made, but it's not an egregious one. Now, if he doesn't rectify it...?
I wasn't saying he was bad. I'm just saying when it comes to signing his own and other teams UFA's that you can't qualify it as 'good' either. I'd put it somewhere in between (FYI, I liked the Michalek signing and hated the Martin signing at the time).
If you're thinking about off-season moves when it's only 3 games through a 7 game series, I think you need to question your allegiance. Let's cross that bridge when we get to it, but for now the Penguins are still in this.
And I'll also add again, we need to get a legitimate backup goalie. Whether it's a young prospect type, or a solid veteran. We need someone that can give Fleury adequate days off, and also step in when Fleury does his annual playoff flop. I think we gotta continue to ride Fleury, but it can't always just be 'Fleury or bust'
Pens need size, if Bylsma is going to remain the Pens head coach then we need size and shut down D men, because we aren't getting anywhere with finess and PMD's.
This is true but PMD's are too critical to our transaction and "North" game to ignore.
What we need is a PMD and solid shut down guy on every pairing.
I just think his **** is getting old, he's not very good anymore, and he has too much influence in the locker room. He needs to go if they want to clean house a little bit. Plus I think his physicality is overrated. He throws some nice big hits, but the substance isn't there.
in 2009 he was good at defense, gave out great hits and the young guys needed him as a leader. It's not 2009 anymore though
Dustin Penner is the opposite of what we want. The guy has zero work ethic.
Would also be a mistake to give up on Z IMO. He's not being used properly. His time in Phoenix shows how useful he can be when used in the right situations and system. Not excusing his play; it's been bad, but I would not give up on him.
Go out and get Jackman and Sarich and our soff problems will be solved and we won't need Michalek to be throwing body checks on people. The right balance is one that allows all of the D to play to their strengths / not try to be someone they aren't. Too many of our D have the same weakness; they're not physical enough or too small or both.
The fact that the entire defense just collapsed has made me think it might be the coaching. We are giving up goals in areas of the ice should be the first to protected. Some of the cross ice passes they are making on us doesn't happen to a good coached team.
you're right. but I think he's the most glaring. If he was expected to have a smaller role it'd be one thing, but the team looks at him as a top defenseman and he simply isn't one anymore.
OMG people I'm NOT saying that is the defense we need to run! Read my long arse post a couple pages back!!!!
What I'm saying is that we need to construct a defense that has a PMD paired with a physical shut down guy on every pairing. Nisky is a great value PMD for the bottom pairing as is Engo for the shutdown guy.
Get a new physical shut down guy to replace Orpik and a new PMD to replace Martin.
The fact that the entire defense just collapsed has made me think it might be the coaching. We are giving up goals in areas of the ice should be the first to protected. Some of the cross ice passes they are making on us doesn't happen to a good coached team.
I agree with this too. I honestly don't know. The fact that we can't clear the damn puck can't be put on the coaching. Neither can getting outworked all the time. It's got to be some of both. There's no way Orpik, Michalek and Martin all had monumental collapses at the same time.
