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04-26-2012, 08:52 AM
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Although I forgot to mention them in my list, The Black Keys are my favorite new band. The local park district sponsored a city wide essay writing contest and Sean won it. They're planting a tree in his name at his school tomorrow and I'm pretty excited about it. Maybe he'll grow up to write legal briefs like Sturm does.

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04-26-2012, 09:40 AM
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Leafs win 2013 Cup - ATDers go crazy!

"Roberto Luongo asks Canucks for trade; list will reportedly include Maple Leafs, Lightning (Puck Daddy)
Seeing Roberto Luongo as the center of controversy and the scapegoat for playoff failure for the Vancouver Canucks is like comfort food at this point in the season. Alas, it appears the 2012 Stanley Cup Playoffs will be the last time the netminder wears the whale (barring expansion to Hartford). Nick Kypreos of Sportsnet reported Thursday morning that Luongo asked the Canucks for a trade in his exit meeting, without the team even asking him to waive his no-trade clause. This comes after Luongo told the media, after Vancouver's 5-game defeat to the Los Angeles Kings, that he wouldn't stand in the way of a deal should the Canucks decide to move forward with Cory Schneider as their goalie. Luongo holds the cards here, and can veto a trade to control where he's traded. According to reports, the Toronto Maple Leafs are one of the destinations he'd approve."


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In today's unsurprising news:

Norris Finalists : Karlsson, Weber and Chara

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Although I forgot to mention them in my list, The Black Keys are my favorite new band.
I just finally got around to buying their latest album, El Camino, yesterday. Listened to some of it on the way to work...pretty good so far. I'm really looking forward to seeing them live when they come to Chicago for Lollapalooza this summer.

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Norris Finalists : Karlsson, Weber and Chara
good. Hopefully Pietrangelo is 4th then. I can definitely live with this.

As far as Karlsson winning the Norris, I'm neutral. He did some really special things offensively. Not killing penalties hurt his case. it's entirely possible that Weber and especially Chara had a bigger impact overall thanks to more well-rounded games and killing penalties. It's also possible that he just generated so many points that it doesn't matter. Interested to see how this one plays out.

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good. Hopefully Pietrangelo is 4th then. I can definitely live with this.

As far as Karlsson winning the Norris, I'm neutral. He did some really special things offensively. Not killing penalties hurt his case. it's entirely possible that Weber and especially Chara had a bigger impact overall thanks to more well-rounded games and killing penalties. It's also possible that he just generated so many points that it doesn't matter. Interested to see how this one plays out.
I believe QUALCOMP shows that Karlsson was playing against the other teams' best at ES, so that at least makes his no PKing not seem as bad. I think his offensive numbers and Ottawa making the playoffs when they weren't really suppose to will win it for him.


EDIT: When's the last time a Dman led the pack by this much offensively with a player like Jason Spezza as their best forward? Nothing against the guy, he's a great player, but look at some of the other Dmen who have done this and the best forwards on their teams...Coffey had Gretzky/Lemieux, Pilote had Hull/Mikita, Kelly had Howe


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I just finally got around to buying their latest album, El Camino, yesterday. Listened to some of it on the way to work...pretty good so far. I'm really looking forward to seeing them live when they come to Chicago for Lollapalooza this summer.
That's very cool. I can't compete, but my son Sean Patrick wants to go to a Comic Book convention in Rosemont in August so I'm taking him. Some of the guests include William Shatner, Jeri Ryan, Stan Lee, WWE® Superstar CM Punk™ (I don't know who CM Punk is, but I bet you guys do.), Nina Dobrev, Tom Felton, Bruce Campbell, Jon Bernthal, and Sean Young who is best known for her performances in films from the 1980s such as Blade Runner, Dune, and No Way Out.

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****, i'd go just for Shatner and Bruce Campbell. Having Jeri Ryan there certainly doesn't hurt matters either.

And the Black Keys are ****ing awesome, been more and more of a fan of theirs since Attack & Release.

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04-27-2012, 07:04 AM
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Very interesting teams in the western conference this season.

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Funnily enough, we have 70% of votes in office for Kings, Coyotes and Rangers...

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Tough call in the Caps-Rangers series. Doesn't NY typically struggle with the Caps in the playoffs?

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I believe QUALCOMP shows that Karlsson was playing against the other teams' best at ES, so that at least makes his no PKing not seem as bad. I think his offensive numbers and Ottawa making the playoffs when they weren't really suppose to will win it for him.


EDIT: When's the last time a Dman led the pack by this much offensively with a player like Jason Spezza as their best forward? Nothing against the guy, he's a great player, but look at some of the other Dmen who have done this and the best forwards on their teams...Coffey had Gretzky/Lemieux, Pilote had Hull/Mikita, Kelly had Howe
Yeah, I think that's a big factor. Ray Bourque in the late 80s was probably the last great offensive defenceman with a worse top forward than Karlsson had. I guess you could look at Scott Stevens in 1993-94 as well, although 78 points didn't go as far back then.

Even worse than Spezza as the best forward was a 39 year old Alfredsson as the #2, Milan Michalek as the #3, and Nick Foligno as the #4. The Sens relied heavily on their blueliners to generate offence, especially Karlsson, and finished #4 in GF with a forward group that included about 9 bottom sixers.

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Yeah, I think that's a big factor. Ray Bourque in the late 80s was probably the last great offensive defenceman with a worse top forward than Karlsson had. I guess you could look at Scott Stevens in 1993-94 as well, although 78 points didn't go as far back then.

Even worse than Spezza as the best forward was a 39 year old Alfredsson as the #2, Milan Michalek as the #3, and Nick Foligno as the #4. The Sens relied heavily on their blueliners to generate offence, especially Karlsson, and finished #4 in GF with a forward group that included about 9 bottom sixers.
How is Spezza bad as a top forward?

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How is Spezza bad as a top forward?
He's not, but check out post #306 for some context. Compared to those 5 guys, he's several tiers lower.

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How is Spezza bad as a top forward?
compared to the top forwards other top offensive defensemen have had (Gretzky, Lemieux, etc) - he is.

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Spezza is a floater. How many times have you heard the play by play guy say "Spezza needs to get his feet moving." He gets beat to pucks, beat on his half-effort checking attempts, really a liability without the puck. The guy is not a winner. He has talent with the puck, no doubt. But the total package is lacking.

I watched him play juniors in Windsor and the crowd booed him a lot. He did not endear himself to the blue-collar hard-working crowd with his sometimes determination. He often floated around waiting for a pass or rush, and the man he was supposed to be covering often got chances against. He has not changes significantly in that regard.

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Spezza is a floater. How many times have you heard the play by play guy say "Spezza needs to get his feet moving." He gets beat to pucks, beat on his half-effort checking attempts, really a liability without the puck. The guy is not a winner. He has talent with the puck, no doubt. But the total package is lacking.

I watched him play juniors in Windsor and the crowd booed him a lot. He did not endear himself to the blue-collar hard-working crowd with his sometimes determination. He often floated around waiting for a pass or rush, and the man he was supposed to be covering often got chances against. He has not changes significantly in that regard.
I kind of agree, but his offensive ability is undeniable. It's just.. you need to put players around him that can keep up with him offensively while covering for him defensively.

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The media is really hyping a low scoring close series between Nashville and Phoenix and I just don't see it. Nashville is a playoff team retooled for a cup run while Phoenix is an overachieving squad. Nashville have a lot of scoring depth a vastly superior blueline and one of the best goalies in the business. Low scoring 1-0 games? Sorry, but Phoenix is not as challenging as Detroit was, and Nashville is not as inept as Chicago became in the latter half of the year.

PREDICTION: Nashville in 5 games, with the Preds averaging OVER 3 goals a game!

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The media is really hyping a low scoring close series between Nashville and Phoenix and I just don't see it. Nashville is a playoff team retooled for a cup run while Phoenix is an overachieving squad. Nashville have a lot of scoring depth a vastly superior blueline and one of the best goalies in the business. Low scoring 1-0 games? Sorry, but Phoenix is not as challenging as Detroit was, and Nashville is not as inept as Chicago became in the latter half of the year.

PREDICTION: Nashville in 5 games, with the Preds averaging OVER 3 goals a game!
Not with Barry Trotz coaching! He finally has a team that can compete offensively with the best, so I think he's going to focus on defense while telling his team to capitalize on opportunities handed to them. I agree that Phoenix is a much easier opponent for them than Detroit.

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I kind of agree, but his offensive ability is undeniable. It's just.. you need to put players around him that can keep up with him offensively while covering for him defensively.
True, His offensive ability is significant enough that with the right linemates he can thrive. He has had some luck in Ottawa, with the offensive emergence of a blueliner and linemates who skate hard. I still think though that he belongs on an also-ran team not a contender.

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True, His offensive ability is significant enough that with the right linemates he can thrive. He has had some luck in Ottawa, with the offensive emergence of a blueliner and linemates who skate hard. I still think though that he belongs on an also-ran team not a contender.
It's why Alfredsson was so good for him. Alfredsson is the most complete player the current Ottawa franchise has ever had.

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Spezza is a floater. How many times have you heard the play by play guy say "Spezza needs to get his feet moving." He gets beat to pucks, beat on his half-effort checking attempts, really a liability without the puck. The guy is not a winner. He has talent with the puck, no doubt. But the total package is lacking.

I watched him play juniors in Windsor and the crowd booed him a lot. He did not endear himself to the blue-collar hard-working crowd with his sometimes determination. He often floated around waiting for a pass or rush, and the man he was supposed to be covering often got chances against. He has not changes significantly in that regard.
It kinda sounds like you haven't watched him in the last 4 years. Everything I've heard and seen suggest he has made significant changes in these areas.

It's ok to admit that he has. It doesn't mean his all-time value changes accordingly automatically just because his non-offensive skills have been acceptable for 3-4 years. But it does raise the "average" value he can be expected to deliver in an ATD. Spezza, for the foreseeable future, will remain an MLD center, probably 2nd line, if we stick with 32 team ATDs.

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Not with Barry Trotz coaching! He finally has a team that can compete offensively with the best, so I think he's going to focus on defense while telling his team to capitalize on opportunities handed to them. I agree that Phoenix is a much easier opponent for them than Detroit.
And they will. That is my point. Hard work, three lines that can score, and one of the best powerplays in the league will eat up the Coyotes defense and put away too many screens and rebounds and shots UP CLOSE on Smith. The Preds are not a perimeter team. They take the rubber to the net and get second and third chances. Smith is weak in terms of reflexes, is slow in reaction time, plays his size on angles and flopping in the lanes. He wil be eaten up!

3+ goals a game for Nashville. I disagree with TSN, nhl.com and Comcast on how this series will play out. It will not be close and it won't be a goaltending duel.

We will see...

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It kinda sounds like you haven't watched him in the last 4 years. Everything I've heard and seen suggest he has made significant changes in these areas.
I gave up on following the Senators as a secondary interest team last season when the Sens sucked royally. Karlsson was a bright sfinally pot and given how the Sens have progressed this season I almost wish I had watched more Ottawa games this year.

I have seen two of the Sens games this postseason, including the Game 7, and Spezza was NOT moving his feet, trailing plays, was beaten for a goal, looked like old Spezza.

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