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04-20-2012, 11:49 AM
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I mean, if you're the guy handing out fines like that, working for a multi billion dollar industry, working with players that make multi million dollar contracts.. wouldn't you be embarrassed to announce that you're making this fine?

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04-20-2012, 11:56 AM
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750$
I generally don't math, but here's my attempt:


Chris Perez makes $4.5 Million this season

If he continues his average of ~60 innings pitched per season, and throws a conservative guess of ~15 pitches per inning: That's roughly 900 pitches a season.

So he's being payed roughly $5,000 per pitch thrown.

In other words, Chris Perez will have this fine payed off roughly 1/7th of the way into his first pitch next game.

Bravo MLB, Bravo.


Shanahan would have at least given him a hearing, and possibly a game. Probably 4 or 5 games if he was a player nobody cared about.


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04-20-2012, 11:59 AM
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Chris Perez makes $4.5 Million this season
Proportionately, it's the same as a $7.50 fine for someone making $45,000 a year.

I'm sure it'll really make him think twice

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04-20-2012, 01:38 PM
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You see the word ''franchise player'' being tossed around a lot in the main boards , but who is truly a franchise player? My definition of a franchise player would be something like this: Played for the team for at least 8 years , has been elite at some point but stayed with the team if things weren't going well (loyal to the club) , is the face of the franchise , is a player you built around and not the other way around.I also do not buy being a franchise player after 3 or 4 years unless you did something really special in the playoffs.

My attempt at finding franchise player:

Ottawa = Spezza (alfredsson but he passed the torch)
Boston = None (Chara got there too late or played too few seasons)
Montreal = None
Toronto = None
Buffalo = Miller (borderline)

Philadelphia = None
Pittsburgh = Malkin & Crosby
NYR = Lundqvist
NYI = None
NJ = Brodeur

Winnipeg = None
Washington = Ovechkin
Tampa Bay = Lecavalier & St-Louis
Florida = None
Carolina = Staal

San Jose = Thornton
Anaheim = Getzlaf (Borderline)
Dallas = None (Morrow can't built around)
LA = None
Phoenix = None (Doan can't built around)

Minnesota = None
Calgary = Iginla
Colorado = None
Vancouver = Henrik & Daniel Sedin
Edmonton = None

Thoughts on this?

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04-20-2012, 01:45 PM
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I don't think a guy on his last legs like Brodeur can be called a "franchise player" anymore. I see it as the guy the team is planning on building around now and in the future.

For NJ, that would be Kovalchuk (for better or worse) and hopefully Parise

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04-20-2012, 01:47 PM
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I don't think a guy on his last legs like Brodeur can be called a "franchise player" anymore. I see it as the guy the team is planning on building around now and in the future.

For NJ, that would be Kovalchuk (for better or worse) and hopefully Parise
I somewhat agree , then NJ has no franchise player.

But as for your definition , I think the player has to have a decent amount of years already played.I don't like calling Tavares and Giroux franchise players.Stamkos with another year could definitely be called one because he would have acheived greatness already.

The problem is with the Richards and Carter example , everybody was calling Richards a franchise player very quickly , and we saw what happened.I like to give the ''franchise player'' the test of time on top of everything else unless greatness is acheived like in the Crosby case.

The most interesting case to discuss could be Ryan Getzlaf.He was never that elite if you look at his numbers , yet he made it happen in the playoffs.I'm not sure I would call him a franchise player though.Then you have Corey Perry with him , but strangely , would anybody take Perry before Getzlaf to built around?


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04-20-2012, 07:51 PM
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I just need to say it. Im happy we gave up a 1st rounder for Quincey....

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04-20-2012, 08:44 PM
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Jesus christ Kennedy... you are as stupid as you are ugly.

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04-20-2012, 09:02 PM
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HEADLINE NEWS:

There's a real hockey game going on in Pittsburgh.

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04-20-2012, 09:05 PM
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Jesus christ Kennedy... you are as stupid as you are ugly.
Agree, and I hate him, but if he's going to snipe that corner for the possible winner, then whatever.

But yeah he has the least hockey sense I've ever seen a player have.

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04-20-2012, 09:16 PM
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Agree, and I hate him, but if he's going to snipe that corner for the possible winner, then whatever.

But yeah he has the least hockey sense I've ever seen a player have.
Atleast he doesnt pass it to a russian sniper on the opponents team in front of his own net...

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04-20-2012, 09:36 PM
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...did I just watch the end of Nik Lidstrom's career? I hope not. I have a hard time letting go.

On another note, who the hell thought the wings would be the first team out?

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04-20-2012, 09:38 PM
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...did I just watch the end of Nik Lidstrom's career? I hope not. I have a hard time letting go.

On another note, who the hell thought the wings would be the first team out?
Most Wings fans...

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04-20-2012, 09:52 PM
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...did I just watch the end of Nik Lidstrom's career? I hope not. I have a hard time letting go.

On another note, who the hell thought the wings would be the first team out?
our generation's heroes are almost all retired.

Lidstrom , jagr , selanne etc... it's sad really.

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04-20-2012, 10:06 PM
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Jagr has points in all 5 playoff games and has just tied Yzerman and Gilmour for 7th all-time in playoff points. He ain't retiring any time soon.

Lidstrom had zero points in 5 games this postseason, the first time ever he hasn't scored in a series in 47 series of experience.

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04-20-2012, 10:41 PM
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Most Wings fans...
Sure, a lot of them thought they wouldn't win, but... first team out?

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04-20-2012, 10:42 PM
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our generation's heroes are almost all retired.

Lidstrom , jagr , selanne etc... it's sad really.
My generation is all retired. Chelios was the last of them. This is another generation altogher for me.

So... I suppose that is even sadder for me.

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04-20-2012, 11:02 PM
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My generation is all retired. Chelios was the last of them. This is another generation altogher for me.

So... I suppose that is even sadder for me.
well I don't think we are a differant generation , and yeah jagr wasn't my hero by any means but I was speaking of the players we saw play before highschool.

My heroes were Patrick Roy and Mario Lemieux mostly , with guy lafleur since he was my father's hero and I saw him play with quebec and NYR.

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04-20-2012, 11:11 PM
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I think we'll see how much lidstrom was the MVP of the whole Detroit organization since he entered the league in the upcoming years.All this supposely detroit management greatness and everything like that , it'll be the test without the best n1 in the league.Its already there.

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04-21-2012, 12:39 AM
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I think we'll see how much lidstrom was the MVP of the whole Detroit organization since he entered the league in the upcoming years.All this supposely detroit management greatness and everything like that , it'll be the test without the best n1 in the league.Its already there.
I think it is both. They kept on unearthing good players even though they had late picks for like 20 years now.

So the management was good. But you still can't replace a Lidstrom easily at all.

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04-21-2012, 12:52 AM
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Jagr has points in all 5 playoff games and has just tied Yzerman and Gilmour for 7th all-time in playoff points. He ain't retiring any time soon.

Lidstrom had zero points in 5 games this postseason, the first time ever he hasn't scored in a series in 47 series of experience.
he is older n had an injury

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04-21-2012, 01:23 AM
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You see the word ''franchise player'' being tossed around a lot in the main boards , but who is truly a franchise player? My definition of a franchise player would be something like this: Played for the team for at least 8 years , has been elite at some point but stayed with the team if things weren't going well (loyal to the club) , is the face of the franchise , is a player you built around and not the other way around.I also do not buy being a franchise player after 3 or 4 years unless you did something really special in the playoffs.

My attempt at finding franchise player:

Ottawa = Spezza (alfredsson but he passed the torch)
Boston = None (Chara got there too late or played too few seasons)
Montreal = None
Toronto = None
Buffalo = Miller (borderline)

Philadelphia = None
Pittsburgh = Malkin & Crosby
NYR = Lundqvist
NYI = None
NJ = Brodeur

Winnipeg = None
Washington = Ovechkin
Tampa Bay = Lecavalier & St-Louis
Florida = None
Carolina = Staal

San Jose = Thornton
Anaheim = Getzlaf (Borderline)
Dallas = None (Morrow can't built around)
LA = None
Phoenix = None (Doan can't built around)

Minnesota = None
Calgary = Iginla
Colorado = None
Vancouver = Henrik & Daniel Sedin
Edmonton = None

Thoughts on this?
No love for the Central?

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04-21-2012, 01:27 AM
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No love for the Central?
lol completely forgot

Chicago = Toews & Kane
Nashville = None
Columbus = Nash
Detroit = Datsyuk & Zetterberg
Stlouis = None

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04-21-2012, 06:31 AM
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Jagr has points in all 5 playoff games and has just tied Yzerman and Gilmour for 7th all-time in playoff points. He ain't retiring any time soon.

Lidstrom had zero points in 5 games this postseason, the first time ever he hasn't scored in a series in 47 series of experience.
To be fair, he's been playing alot with Ian White and Ericsson. With Ian White he has to be a defensive stalwart because that guy just simply dont know anything about playing defense. I liked the pairing with Ericsson but the problem were that both are bit too slow. The fact that Lidstrom didnt score, well, Franzen only had one goal, Zetterberg was atrocious offensively. Wings is missing two or three players.

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Sure, a lot of them thought they wouldn't win, but... first team out?
Well, there is a chance that Sharks, Canucks and Hawks go out in as many games. Im not shocked at all by this, specially when you saw players like Flip, Quincey, White and Stuart play...

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Sure, a lot of them thought they wouldn't win, but... first team out?
I thought they would be. The Predators were the dark horse pick to go all the way by the experts and I picked them to win this match easily. I think either they or the Blues are going all the way. I still think Pilote, Pratt, and Weber was a quite good lineup offensively.

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