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04-20-2012, 01:32 PM
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Depth at center why bad at faceoffs??

Dubinsky
Richards
Boyle
Anisimov
Stepan
Mitchell

all can take faceoffs....why do the Rangers have a hard time winning the important faceoffs???

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Because you can be a center and be bad on faceoffs at the same time. Don't really see the big question here.

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Dubinsky
Richards
Boyle
Anisimov
Stepan
Mitchell

all can take faceoffs....why do the Rangers have a hard time winning the important faceoffs???
Because quantity does not equal quality?

*EDIT* Although Boyle has been pretty good.

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Because center depth =/= face off ability. If your top 2 centers are Tomas Plekanec and Zenon Konopka, while your depth and skill level will suck, you'll be incredible in the face off department.

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Dubinsky
Richards
Boyle
Anisimov
Stepan
Mitchell

all can take faceoffs....why do the Rangers have a hard time winning the important faceoffs???
Its probably because we have Konopka on the faceoff dot 50% of the time. In 2009-10 he led the league with 62.3% and 4th in 2010-11 with 57.7%

Spezza is also very good at the faceoff dot with 53.5% in the reg season

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Spezza and Konopka are both awesome at faceoffs. Winchester isn't bad, either.

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Playing center doesn't automatically mean you are good at faceoffs.

In fact, even being a good center doesn't even mean you are good at faceoffs. Remember how bad Crosby was at faceoffs his first couple of years in the league? He had to spend an entire offseason practicing it to even become decent.

Konopka isn't a very skilled center, he's a tough guy... but is great at faceoffs.

We just don't have a lot of guys who are very good at it except Boyle and to a lesser extent Richards.

Dubinsky is mediocre at it, Stepan is terrible at it, and Anisimov is pretty bad.

In game 2 when we lost Dubinsky, Boyle was pretty much taking every faceoff and its exhausting. Plus, having so little depth with capable faceoff centermen, your opponents quickly learn your "move" or your tactics to win the draw. It's not an easy skill at all.

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Playing center doesn't automatically mean you are good at faceoffs.

In fact, even being a good center doesn't even mean you are good at faceoffs. Remember how bad Crosby was at faceoffs his first couple of years in the league? He had to spend an entire offseason practicing it to even become decent.

Konopka isn't a very skilled center, he's a tough guy... but is great at faceoffs.

We just don't have a lot of guys who are very good at it except Boyle and to a lesser extent Richards.

Dubinsky is mediocre at it, Stepan is terrible at it, and Anisimov is pretty bad.

In game 2 when we lost Dubinsky, Boyle was pretty much taking every faceoff and its exhausting. Plus, having so little depth with capable faceoff centermen, your opponents quickly learn your "move" or your tactics to win the draw. It's not an easy skill at all.
Nothing more needs to be said in this thread than this post.

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Saw the stats in Zipay's article in today's Newsday. Ottawa's beating the Rangers on faceoffs 54.5% to 45.5%. Faceoffs won means possession and controlling the play and firing more pucks on net.

Regular season numbers:

Jerred Smithson 56.1%
Paul Gaustad 57.3%
Antoine Vermette 56.6%
Samuel Pahlsson 52.1%
Dominic Moore 55.0%

Teams went out and acquired good faceoff centers before the deadline this year. Whether Sather felt these centers weren't a good fit for the Rangers or the price wasn't right I'm not sure but it's something that needs to be addressed moving forward. I'm sure some or all of them will be free agents this summer. Halpern in Washington is another good one. Nichol too.

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because only one person from each team takes a faceoff

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Saw the stats in Zipay's article in today's Newsday. Ottawa's beating the Rangers on faceoffs 54.5% to 45.5%. Faceoffs won means possession and controlling the play and firing more pucks on net.
Honestly that's such a small discrepancy for a 4 game sample

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Honestly that's such a small discrepancy for a 4 game sample
Sure, it's a small amount, but out of all the playoff teams, were last in F/O percentage. Consequently, Ottawa is first.

In the regular season Ottawa won 50.1% of their faceoffs, while the Rangers won 50%. The reason Ottawa wasn't at the top of the league is because Staphane Da Costa won 36% of his faceoffs when he was on the team. Konopka, Winchester, and Spezza are all over 53% in the regular season.

The best F/O guy for the Rangers in this series has been Richards. Boyle has been on par with Stepan. The fact we don't have the puck is because Boyle is still taking a lot of draws (25, 23, 16, and 28 in the 4 games) and winning them at a 43% clip. Either take Boyle out of most F/O and try someone else, or hope he can figure out the other guys and win a couple more draws. I'm all for giving Dubi some more F/O even though he's at 28% for the series, he has barely taken any.

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One of the things I noticed this year is that occasionally our centers have issues winning a faceoff in the clutch. After icings, late in games, on the PK, etc. Boyle is often used in the circle when it's late and close, and while he generally has a good faceoff percentage, he isn't always capable at winning them at crucial times of the game. This is a where a faceoff specialist would have come in handy.

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When myself and a few others were rallying to get this team a faceoff guy at the trade deadline and folks whined about "more fourth liners"...

THIS IS WHY.

Because faceoffs in the playoffs are CRITICAL.

Rangers are garbage in the faceoff circle. Have been all year. Now its biting them in the ass.

Scoring and faceoffs are this team's two biggest concerns that need to be addressed this summer.

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one could go as far as saying faceoffs played a key role in losing yesterdays game, especially on the power play

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They have two options here;

Get a Boyd Gordon or Paul Gaustad (and if Gaustad wins a Cup, I stay the heck away).

Oscar Lindberg will be signed and he's gonna be a 4th liner anyway so why not start some kind of 4th line with him, Rupp, and Prust?

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They have two options here;

Get a Boyd Gordon or Paul Gaustad (and if Gaustad wins a Cup, I stay the heck away).

Oscar Lindberg will be signed and he's gonna be a 4th liner anyway so why not start some kind of 4th line with him, Rupp, and Prust?
Great, more 4th liners

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Konopka is massive, and physical, a real beast.
He's the principal reason we're having FO issues this series...

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A strong faceoff man is an important part of a team. If he's a 4th liner, so be it. It's not like the team will be dressing an extra 4th liner at the expense of 3rd liner or something. Someone expendable (like Mitchell) just won't play.

Faceoffs are critical. We've seen Ottawa put Konopka on just to take a faceoff, then race off the ice for a different center to continue the play.

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Well, yes Lindberg is gonna be a 4th liner, but they need a real 4th line first LOL. Mitchell, Rupp, and whomever ain't gonna cut it.

You can't make a 4th liner into a 3rd liner. You can go the other way. Cup teams have that.

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Am I the only person SICK of Stephan?
I cannot stand a center who is so bad at face-offs.

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Am I the only person SICK of Stephan?
I cannot stand a center who is so bad at face-offs.
Who is Stephan?

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Well, yes Lindberg is gonna be a 4th liner, but they need a real 4th line first LOL. Mitchell, Rupp, and whomever ain't gonna cut it.

You can't make a 4th liner into a 3rd liner. You can go the other way. Cup teams have that.
They have a real 4th line. Fedotenko/Boyle/Prust. The problem is, they're being used as a third line, because the guys that should be on the third line, like Anisimov, Hagelin, and Dubinsky, are being used as first and second liners.

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playing center doesn't automatically mean you are good at faceoffs.

In fact, even being a good center doesn't even mean you are good at faceoffs. Remember how bad crosby was at faceoffs his first couple of years in the league? He had to spend an entire offseason practicing it to even become decent.

Konopka isn't a very skilled center, he's a tough guy... But is great at faceoffs.

We just don't have a lot of guys who are very good at it except boyle and to a lesser extent richards.

Dubinsky is mediocre at it, stepan is terrible at it, and anisimov is pretty bad.

In game 2 when we lost dubinsky, boyle was pretty much taking every faceoff and its exhausting. Plus, having so little depth with capable faceoff centermen, your opponents quickly learn your "move" or your tactics to win the draw. It's not an easy skill at all.
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