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04-16-2012, 11:36 AM
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I'm oblivious to the rules, but if a player has two separate hearings for incidents in the same game does that automatically result in a suspension? Or are you just speculating?
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04-16-2012, 11:40 AM
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not sure how you can suspend Neal after not suspending Weber

but this series is 3-0 and it is a good chance for Shanahan to serve notice
Honestly, the Weber incident looks alot worse than it actually was. He really didn't shove him that hard. I wasn't surprised at the non suspension.

However, the type of hit Neal delivers on Couts has multiple precedent for suspension (leaves feet & majorly late). I'd be shocked if he isn't suspended.

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04-16-2012, 11:45 AM
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Neal's hit has everything the video they put out in the preseason they said not to do

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04-16-2012, 11:53 AM
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The way I look at it, it was late, it was up high, and he left the ice. He should be suspended.

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04-16-2012, 12:02 PM
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I hope Neal doesn't get suspended. I can't remember the last time I've wanted to see an opponent catch an ass-beating so bad. That **** he pulled with Couturier and Giroux immediately afterward was some of the most pathetic stuff I've seen. Especially considering that he's not ready to back any of it up, you can just see it in his face...he's a little *****. I wish Simmonds had just dropped his gloves and ****ing wrecked him when he had that quick little run-in with him. Neal should catch multiple ass-beatings every time he plays for the Flyers for at least the next two years.


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04-16-2012, 12:13 PM
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Honestly, the Weber incident looks alot worse than it actually was. He really didn't shove him that hard. I wasn't surprised at the non suspension.
I dunno - to crack Zetterberg's helmet - that had to be a pretty forceful webering.

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04-16-2012, 12:13 PM
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Neals hit on Couturier is absolutely no different than what Steve Downie did in just the preseason except that Neal IS a repeat offender in the NHL while Downie was suspended 25 games for his reputation in freaking juniors. If Downies hit was worthy of 25 games then Neal should also get 25 games. However, everyone knowns full well that all he'll get is a fine. Shanny is just as big of a joke as Campbell was before him.

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04-16-2012, 12:24 PM
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Im hearing adams is facing automatic 1 gm for his part in the mess sunday no need for a meeting on that one. So we could see 3 pitts pukes not in gm 4.

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04-16-2012, 12:26 PM
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FWIW, Hagelin had a phone hearing:








Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...#ixzz1sDXhrw9R
i thought the Bitz elbow had a lot more malice then Hagelin's elbow. Bitz put his elbow/arm up several strides before he drove his albow into Kyle Clifford's head.
I know Allfy ended up getting concussed, but if you watch each one, there is little doubt that Bitz should have been gone for much longer then 2.

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04-16-2012, 12:39 PM
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I kind of want an NHL letter, just because...lol

I mean Bettman and a few others addressed the bad non-call offsides from Game 1 that resulted in Briere's goal...what about the non-call on Neal when he charged/interfered/left his feet against Coots. If that was called, then one of the NHL's stars (Giroux) wouldn't have been subject to the second hit, and the Adams/Hartnell/Crosby lack-of-control-of-the-game wouldn't have ensued.

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04-16-2012, 12:41 PM
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suspensions will be handed out to asham and adams. I think a fine will be handed out to Neil, though he was clearly trying to hurt couturier and left his feet for his hit.

Regardless, Penguins are going to get "NHL pampered treatment" as they did during the game. (for instance how Rinaldo somehow received a double minor for a cross check, or how after the whole scrum Pitt ended up with a power play)

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I really really hope Neal gets suspended, not just because he's a puke and doesn't deserve to play in Game 4
But because the chances of Pitts winning the next game will be a lot harder without him, and I want this series to end SOOO bad.

Sadly, I have a horrible feeling he'll only get fined for both incidents...I hope I'm wrong.

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04-16-2012, 12:44 PM
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I caught part of hockey central and heard Kypreos say he was being called on the carpet twice but I thought it was a joke!

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Can Neal even be suspended if there was no penalty called on the ice?
Leino got suspended earlier in the year for trying to take Read's head off with an elbow and no penalty was called on the play.

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04-16-2012, 12:55 PM
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Leino got suspended earlier in the year for trying to take Read's head off with an elbow and no penalty was called on the play.
He got 2 mins for charging for the Giroux hit..Thus he was in the box and Simmonds was waiting for him to come out when they added the 10 min game misconduct that got him booted right after.

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04-16-2012, 12:57 PM
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I would think it would be tough for Shanny to suspend 3 Pens players at once, but...

Adams = automatic
Asham = pretty much automatic
Neil = 2 seperate incidents in the same game

I don't think Neil would be suspended if it was either one of those incidents but because it was 2, I think he has to susepend him at least 1 game.

It's anyone's guess, though. No consistency. They started out good with the videos explaining the susepnsion but do they even still do those?

BTW, what happened to that Jester guy that posted on here all the time?

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04-16-2012, 01:09 PM
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How long do these meetings take before we hear if any of the pukes are suspended?

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04-16-2012, 01:13 PM
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I would think it would be tough for Shanny to suspend 3 Pens players at once, but...

Adams = automatic
Asham = pretty much automatic
Neil = 2 seperate incidents in the same game

I don't think Neil would be suspended if it was either one of those incidents but because it was 2, I think he has to susepend him at least 1 game.

It's anyone's guess, though. No consistency. They started out good with the videos explaining the susepnsion but do they even still do those?

BTW, what happened to that Jester guy that posted on here all the time?
Yeah, just watched the one on Hagelin.



Sadly, there is no video explaining why Weber didn't get suspended in contrast to the 3 games received by Hagelin.

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04-16-2012, 01:19 PM
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Yeah, just watched the one on Hagelin.



Sadly, there is no video explaining why Weber didn't get suspended in contrast to the 3 games received by Hagelin.
There is a posted radio interview with Boomer and another NY host. Shanny said he almost gave Weber 1 game but called Detroit and because there was no injury he didn't. I don't know if I believe it, I think he didn't want to suspend a key player, but that is what he said.

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Im hearing adams is facing automatic 1 gm for his part in the mess sunday no need for a meeting on that one. So we could see 3 pitts pukes not in gm 4.
Bob McKenzie said the automatic suspension can be revoked.

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There is a posted radio interview with Boomer and another NY host. Shanny said he almost gave Weber 1 game but called Detroit and because there was no injury he didn't. I don't know if I believe it, I think he didn't want to suspend a key player, but that is what he said.
I don't agree with the whole injury/non-injury thing. The act stays the same, he shouldn't be awarded for being lucky that Zetterberg is ok, but that's been discussed a million times. Anyway, even without injury that's at least 1 game for me. Would Zetterberg have been hurt, we're talking at least 2-3 games. But I agree, Weber is a key player, that's why he only got a fine.

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04-16-2012, 01:32 PM
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Neil is goona be suspended. The series is out of hand with pens playing horrid hockey all around. That will two account that the chances of pens comming back r so slim that suspending Neil would be an example of what happens when u head hunt. G's jersey is one of the highest selling in the nhl which ppl love to watch him play around the world. Makes it that much of a bigger problem for Neil to go after him. That being said if he is in game 4 the nhl is not doing there job to protect the stars of the nhl.

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if shanahan and nhl want a deterrent
make suspensions game for game
if you injure someone with a headshot, and they are out of the game for any length of time, then that play shall be suspended for the same amount of time

bet you that would stop the stupidity
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Giroux hits Craig Adams with borderline hit. Adams says his "virus" will cause him to miss remainder of series and much of offseason even though he's fine because Pens can now troll the Flyers from the 5th tee. Giroux forced to sit. No thanks.

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I don't agree with the whole injury/non-injury thing. The act stays the same, he shouldn't be awarded for being lucky that Zetterberg is ok, but that's been discussed a million times. Anyway, even without injury that's at least 1 game for me. Would Zetterberg have been hurt, we're talking at least 2-3 games. But I agree, Weber is a key player, that's why he only got a fine.
I agree..the adjudication process is a complete travesty. Basically Shanahan is conducting a kangaroo court where the privileged are judged less harshly in a manner akin to a white collar crime (which typically are worse in the amount of financial damage they cause) while the commoners get put on death row due to some form of social darwinism. Sounds extreme but it's not that far off IMO...

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04-16-2012, 01:43 PM
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Its clear to me that the first hit Neal cut to avoid Malkin, which caused him to hit Couturier. You can clearly see Neal circling to the BOARDS, and then Malkin cuts off his path so he takes the inside path right into Couturier.

If he wanted to lay him out he would have led with his shoulder instead what he did, which was more of a chest bump. You can see that as he is about to contact Couturier he trys to lead with his shoulder but he doesn't have to time to execute a proper bodycheck because it wasn't his INTENT. If Couturier wasn't floating obliviously looking backwards for the puck he could have taken the collision better.

Hit #1 Accidental - no discipline.


Hit #2 was clearly going to be a charge (I saw 3 strides before the hit was delivered). But as per Shanahan's rules about a significant change in head position I don't really see how you can give much more than a fine. Before contact was initiated Giroux spins to avoid the check. I believe if he had maintained his position Neal would have been on his feet when contact was initiated.

Hit #2 is a fine.

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