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06-13-2012, 03:09 PM
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At 11 I see us taking a defenseman that may fall due to circumstance. One of Trouba, Reinhart, Maatta, Dumba, Reilly could be there.

Gaunce and Faksa aren't bad options by any means, but I don't want us taking a center just to take a center.

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I'd be pretty skeptical of that draft. They should have plenty of OHL insight but...yikes.

HF moderator mock with yours truly picking Faksa, Maatta and a flyer on Schmaltz in the second, though again they should probably defer and take Colorado's second next year.
Nice choices. If the 1st rounders are kept landing a C and a D seems like the most likely. I'm almost leaning toward Slater Koekkoek or Lindholm over Maata at 16 looking at that mock as he seems pretty intriguing.

If Trouba slips I'd be all over that at 11. Then maybe a Gaunce/ZG/Hertl at 16.

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How about on offense? Anyone that Long Island might covet or who makes the most sense?

McKenzie: “If the Islanders opt for a forward, the obvious choices, assuming Yakupov is gone, would be Filip Forsberg, the big Swedish winger, Alex Galchenyuk, the offensive center who plays alongside Yakupov in Sarnia, or maybe Teuvo Teravainen, the diminutive Finn whose stock is skyrocketing. Big Russian center Mikhail Grigorenko, who plays in Quebec, is also a consideration but I suspect his stock may fall and take him out of the top 5 and maybe even out of the top 10.”
NHL.com mocks here, here and here have the Caps taking Dumba/Collberg, Pouliot/Girgensons & Reinhart/Collberg. A D first and then a forward seems quite possible but those combos? I'd be surprised.

I think Maatta is a little bit of a safer choice. Upside could favor SK/EL but Maatta offers a more mature game that should allow them to fast-track him for a depth role.

Woodlief raved about Laughton on CapsReport. I share much of the belief in the player but not necessarily the offensive upside. It seems like a work in progress that requires faith mainly because he seems to be around the puck so much.

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fast-track him for a depth role.
Is that really what we/they should be concerned with?

Also if Grigorenko falls to 11, you just know they're taking him. Which I guess I'm alright with.

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Is that really what we/they should be concerned with?
Not exclusively but it lessens the bust rate. The player needs to carry attractive upside as well as a safe floor but they're better served not targeting projects that will require three plus years given their track record. Not that those two in particular necessarily will take that long.

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If Dumba was there for us I'd cry tears of joy, but Grigorenko is more likely.

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Honestly, if Dumba, Trouba, and Murray are off the board and Faksa is available, and we take a defenseman....

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NHL.com mocks here, here and here have the Caps taking Dumba/Collberg, Pouliot/Girgensons & Reinhart/Collberg. A D first and then a forward seems quite possible but those combos? I'd be surprised.

I think Maatta is a little bit of a safer choice. Upside could favor SK/EL but Maatta offers a more mature game that should allow them to fast-track him for a depth role.
Would love the first and third combos, hate the second. And I'm not a Dumba fan, but him at 11 is tremendous upside for the pick.

Agreed that Maatta is probably a safer D pick and would be pleased if he's available at 16. And I agree with the concept of early picks that are close to NHL roles in some capacity. In recent years, a vast majority of our more "successful" draft picks have reached the NHL quickly. We're not Detroit. So picking players who project to fit our development model is probably a good thing.

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06-14-2012, 12:16 PM
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If McPhee takes another flight risk draftee, I'll vomit. Their prospect depth can't take it right now. They need to restock with players who are determined to play in North America.


Dumba would be silly if he slipped. I'm still on board with Faksa and Maatta.

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If McPhee takes another flight risk draftee, I'll vomit. Their prospect depth can't take it right now. They need to restock with players who are determined to play in North America.


Dumba would be silly if he slipped. I'm still on board with Faksa and Maatta.
I'm still convinced that Kuznetsov is determined to play in NA. What we need is someone who is determined to play in NA ASAP. The problem with Kuznetsov is that he has no urgency to get here. Gustafsson turned out not to be determined even to play hockey at all. But yeah, McPhee needs to hit on at least one of if not both of the 1st rounders.

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If McPhee takes another flight risk draftee, I'll vomit. Their prospect depth can't take it right now. They need to restock with players who are determined to play in North America.


Dumba would be silly if he slipped. I'm still on board with Faksa and Maatta.
They can handle one flight risk of the two picks, but not both. If Grink falls to 11, they can afford to take him (especially since he's already in NA... risk is lower).

I'd rather they steer clear of Vasilevski though (of course I don't think they should be using 1sts on goalies anymore regardless) unless he falls to them later in the draft.

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I'm still convinced that Kuznetsov is determined to play in NA. What we need is someone who is determined to play in NA ASAP. The problem with Kuznetsov is that he has no urgency to get here. Gustafsson turned out not to be determined even to play hockey at all. But yeah, McPhee needs to hit on at least one of if not both of the 1st rounders.

Not sure if determined is the work I would use, but I think it's still likely he'll play in NA.


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They can handle one flight risk of the two picks, but not both. If Grink falls to 11, they can afford to take him (especially since he's already in NA... risk is lower).

I'd rather they steer clear of Vasilevski though (of course I don't think they should be using 1sts on goalies anymore regardless) unless he falls to them later in the draft.
Can they handle another 1st rounder blown right now? I don't think so. There's not much in the prospect pipeline. I think they need to hit on both of these, or hit on one and turn the other around for a current NHLer. I'd trade down if Grink was there at 11 and someone really wanted him.

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I'd rather they steer clear of Vasilevski though (of course I don't think they should be using 1sts on goalies anymore regardless) unless he falls to them later in the draft.
Assuming we keep 11 and 16 and use Boston's 2nd (53 or 54 depending on what New Jersey does), I would hate Vasya at 11 or 16, but love him at 53.

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Assuming we keep 11 and 16 and use Boston's 2nd (53 or 54 depending on what New Jersey does), I would hate Vasya at 11 or 16, but love him at 53.
New Jersey's keeping their pick this year, so the BOS pick is 54th overall.

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Hey guys, Wild fan coming in peace.

Hypothetical situation for everyone: say come draft day, Grigorenko is available at #7. Minnesota's GM looks over to Washington's GM; they lock eyes. They both know what the other is thinking...

At this moment in time, is Washington willing to trade #11 & #16 for Grigorenko?

Thanks for your time!

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Hey guys, Wild fan coming in peace.

Hypothetical situation for everyone: say come draft day, Grigorenko is available at #7. Minnesota's GM looks over to Washington's GM; they lock eyes. They both know what the other is thinking...

At this moment in time, is Washington willing to trade #11 & #16 for Grigorenko?

Thanks for your time!
I would hope not.

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Hey guys, Wild fan coming in peace.

Hypothetical situation for everyone: say come draft day, Grigorenko is available at #7. Minnesota's GM looks over to Washington's GM; they lock eyes. They both know what the other is thinking...

At this moment in time, is Washington willing to trade #11 & #16 for Grigorenko?

Thanks for your time!
No one knows, but I sure as hell wouldn't.


I also sincerely wish that every non-Caps fan would stop assuming we are going to take every ******* Russian we can get our picks on.

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Hey guys, Wild fan coming in peace.

Hypothetical situation for everyone: say come draft day, Grigorenko is available at #7. Minnesota's GM looks over to Washington's GM; they lock eyes. They both know what the other is thinking...

At this moment in time, is Washington willing to trade #11 & #16 for Grigorenko?

Thanks for your time!
I don't like where this is going...

As for the trade, I think the Caps need two players out of those picks, so no, I wouldn't move them to move up.

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No one knows, but I sure as hell wouldn't.


I also sincerely wish that every non-Caps fan would stop assuming we are going to take every ******* Russian we can get our picks on.
Well, we do know that, for better or worse, McPhee doesn't seem to fear the "Russian factor" at all.

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I don't like where this is going...
From that turtleshell wussbag system we played last year, it would appear some part of Washington mated with Minnesota.

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Well, we do know that, for better or worse, McPhee doesn't seem to fear the "Russian factor" at all.
While true I'm honestly so tired of out-of-town fans and Russian related things.

Got a 38 year old Russian who is over the hill? Caps want him!

Got a cocky 20 something Russian who isn't welcome round these parts? Caps want him!

Got a 17 year old Russian who likes to hula hoop? Caps want him!


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At this moment in time, is Washington willing to trade #11 & #16 for Grigorenko?

Thanks for your time!
54 or Colorado's second in '13 (whichever they end up opting for), yes. Otherwise, no. Not for 7. Not unless they don't value the likely range of players at 16 much.

The interesting little wrinkle at 7 is 8-10 all being current division teams. That may not last much longer but if they really don't want to see a player go inside the division that would be the spot to jump to.


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They both know what the other is thinking...
Somebody knows what GMGM is thinking?

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