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05-13-2012, 10:18 PM
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Haven't gotten a chance to watch all the OIl Kings games this round but from what I've seen Reinhart was Very impressive. Elevated his game big time I'd be a lot more comfortable with him at 11 than I would have been early in the year

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05-13-2012, 11:00 PM
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Haven't gotten a chance to watch all the OIl Kings games this round but from what I've seen Reinhart was Very impressive. Elevated his game big time I'd be a lot more comfortable with him at 11 than I would have been early in the year
Reinhart is not dropping to 11.

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05-14-2012, 10:41 AM
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Reinhart is not dropping to 11.

I tend to agree. I think one of Faksa or Teravainen will drop to our 11 spot and i'd be fine with that. If one of Trouba, Reinhart or Rielly fall to us, then i'd prefer one of those D.


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05-14-2012, 04:50 PM
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Not having done a ton of research, but generally speaking (and removing a few guys I just don't think will be there), I'd go:

If forward:

1. Galchenyuk (unlikley to be there)
2. Teravainem
3. Faksa
4. Girgensons
5. Gaunce
6. Hertl
7. Collberg
8. Frk

If Defensemen:

1. Reilly (pipe dream I know)
2. Dumba
3. Trouba
4. Reinhardt
5. Maatta
6. Skjei (trade down)
7. Pouliot
8. Cechi

It's nice to know that we could get two of these guys as well.

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05-14-2012, 04:52 PM
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Faksa over Teravainen because of their position, to me. Doubt Teravainen falls to 11 though.

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05-14-2012, 05:20 PM
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The idea of adding Teravainen & Kuznetsov both in two years would be mighty entertaining. I'd take him over Faksa but at best they'll be in a position at 11 to take one of the two. BPA there is more likely to be a defenseman, in which case at 16 if they're looking at a forward I'm not sure there's much separation there from those that will go between 20-40.

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05-15-2012, 11:42 PM
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Button's latest rankings don't have that much movement from his previous iteration, but it's interesting to note that he's got Murray at 12 and Trouba at 13. One of them could be this year's Couturier/Fowler.

Others of note: Teravainen at 5, Grigorenko at 20, Maata at 30, Gaunce at 37.

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05-16-2012, 12:00 AM
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Always risers and droppers and the unexpected on draft day. Seems like the kinda draft where this happens.

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Button's latest rankings don't have that much movement from his previous iteration, but it's interesting to note that he's got Murray at 12 and Trouba at 13. One of them could be this year's Couturier/Fowler.

Others of note: Teravainen at 5, Grigorenko at 20, Maata at 30, Gaunce at 37.


Nic Kerdiles not being ranked is completely ****ing mind blowing.

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05-16-2012, 07:11 AM
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Button's latest rankings don't have that much movement from his previous iteration, but it's interesting to note that he's got Murray at 12 and Trouba at 13. One of them could be this year's Couturier/Fowler.

Others of note: Teravainen at 5, Grigorenko at 20, Maata at 30, Gaunce at 37.
It sounds like Murray may get taken at 1 (if EDM can't trade down), but man would I be jumping for joy if he were there at 11.

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05-16-2012, 09:04 AM
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I really like the Jankowski kid. Way under the radar because he didn't play in the OHL, but he's a late-grower with serious NHL pedigree. Kind of kid I could see GMGM grabbing at #16 after going BPA at #11.

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05-16-2012, 09:27 AM
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Faksa over Teravainen because of their position, to me. Doubt Teravainen falls to 11 though.
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05-16-2012, 09:30 AM
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What if that BPA different is.... minuscule. .1% Only slight concensus 50.01% experts grade him higher than the guy behind him. Is BPA still standard protocol, and thus its always wise to ignore organizational needs?

With the failure rate of hockey prospects, I sure hope people that wrongly decided who was best are not weighed as heavily in future grading periods.

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05-16-2012, 09:44 AM
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Nic Kerdiles not being ranked is completely ****ing mind blowing.
Agreed. He's squarely in the second-tier of forwards, certainly above Smith or Maidens. There's not a real long list of forwards I'd peg with top six upside but he's one of them. ISS May rankings has him up to 15 which seems a bit early but he did finish the season strong. Wilson moving up to 17 did the same. They've consistently ranked Galchenyuk low. Gaunce over Galchenyuk is pretty bad regardless of injuries.

I doubt Murray falls. Trouba I could maybe see, in part because fairly or not Jones overshadowed him big-time at the U18s.

Wilson at 16 would probably be considered a reach but looking all of the teams left it's clear that strength on the puck up front is essential. The Caps need more of that, on top of becoming more aggressive systematically. If they think his hockey sense will lead to him becoming more than a checker/fighter it's not a bad idea. He's a player that could be fast-tracked with his size...again, if they think his smarts and skills are adequate.

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05-16-2012, 09:45 AM
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As a finnish I would be careful with Teräväinen because his raise in the rankings has been huge and his performances has been great but I would personally rank him around 15-20 instead and I regard him as a high risk if Caps pick him.

In Finland Teuvo hasn´t had same kind of attention like Granlund (picked 9th, 13+27=40 points on draft year) or Armia (Picked 16th, 18+11=29 points on draft year) when Teräväinen has 11+7=18 points in this year.

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Mikael Granlund 40 points in 43 games = 0,93 ppg (2009-2010)

Joel Armia 29 points in 48 games = 0,60 ppg (2010-2011)

Teuvo Teräväinen 18 points in 40 games = 0,45 ppg (2011-2012)

These are stats from their regular season before "the draft summer" in SM-liiga

Only exception between these three Finnish young talents is that Teräväinen played also in Jokerit U20 team and few games in K-Vantaa in Mestis.

The stats above doesn´t tell everything and I have to defend Teräväinen because he hasn´t been a top 6 forward in his team like the other Finns I have compared him. He can become a great goal scorer if he gets more responsibility in next few years.

The point however is that he isn´t NHL-ready at least in 3 years or so and I think Caps needs young talent more quickly than that and his small size doesn´t convince me.

I hope a good career for Teuvo but somewhere else than in Washington.
yes i completely agree...i rank teuvo in the 20's. I think becuase of his size he is very high risk and would rather pick someone else at 11

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05-16-2012, 11:23 AM
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I feel like there's a chance Dumba could fall to our spot, if so, I'd take him in a heartbeat.

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05-16-2012, 11:36 AM
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Trouba or Ceci at #11 and Faska, Gaunce or Girgensons at #16 would be the ideal draft for me.

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05-16-2012, 01:17 PM
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05-16-2012, 01:20 PM
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If his top eight holds and Winnipeg/Tampa Bay go D with Reinhart & Trouba then Faksa will be there at 11. That's where I'd lean and that seems plausible.

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Also, interesting to see how high he has Laughton.

He falls into that mold of a prospect I'd like to see them take at some point in the draft--massive grit, toughness and tenacity with top-6 upside.

I'm still rooting for Sissons, though based on the various rankings, he could go anywhere from round 1 to round 4.

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05-16-2012, 01:25 PM
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What's the deal with Tom Wilson?

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Tom Wilson (28): Legitimate heavyweight is the most feared fighter in the draft, and scored nearly as many goals in 13 playoff games (7) as he did all season.
The goal-scoring bit sounds like an argument against him to me. Unless he's Joel Ward with fists.

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What's the deal with Tom Wilson?



The goal-scoring bit sounds like an argument against him to me. Unless he's Joel Ward with fists.
http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p...php?pid=130599

Whenever I've seen him, his skill level has been sub-par. He doesn't look like he has top-6 upside to me--more Chris Neil than Ryane Clowe. Though it has to be acknowledged that he stepped it up in the playoffs.

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http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p...php?pid=130599

Whenever I've seen him, his skill level has been sub-par. He doesn't look like he has top-6 upside to me--more Chris Neil than Ryane Clowe. Though it has to be acknowledged that he stepped it up in the playoffs.
I see, thanks. Legitimate players who are also legitimate fighters are always interesting.

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05-16-2012, 02:15 PM
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I see, thanks. Legitimate players who are also legitimate fighters are always interesting.
Well, his numbers are similar to Lucic's pre-draft numbers. So I guess you never know.

I suspect Lucic is the reason Wilson is ranked so highly. Every team wants to find the next Lucic. Similar to the trend (that's seemingly died off) of teams trying to find the next Chara by drafting huge, undeveloped defensemen.

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Like Pokuluk, Finley and Schultz. Ugh.

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