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05-16-2012, 02:55 PM
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I want Lindholm at 16.

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1. Yakupov, Nail, LW 10/6/93 L 5.10.5 189 Sarnia OHL
2. Forsberg, Filip, RW 8/13/94 R 6.01 176 Leksands SweAl
3. Murray, Ryan, LD 9/27/93 L 6.00.5 201 Everett WHL
4. Grigorenko, Mikhail, RW 5/16/94 L 6.03.25 200 Québec QMJHL
5. Trouba, Jacob, RD 2/26/94 R 6.02 196 USA Under-18 NTDP
6. Dumba, Matt, RD 7/25/94 R 5.11.75 183 Red Deer WHL
7. Rielly, Morgan, LD 3/9/94 L 5.11.5 190 Moose Jaw WHL
8. Teravainen, Teuvo, LW, 9/11/94 L 5.11 161 Jokerit FinE
9. Ceci, Cody, RD 12/21/93 R 6.02.5 207 Ottawa OHL
10. Reinhart, Griffin, LD 1/24/94 L 6.03.75 207 Edmonton WHL
11. Gaunce, Brendan, C 3/25/94 L 6.02 215 Belleville OHL
12. Maatta, Olli, LD 8/22/94 L 6.01.5 202 London OHL
13. Collberg, Sebastian, RW 2/23/94 R 5.11 Vastra SweJE
14. Galchenyuk, Alexander, RW 2/12/94 L 6.00.5 198 Sarnia OHL
15. Kerdiles, Nicholas, C/L 1/11/94 L, 6.01.5 200 USA Under-18 NTDP
16. Faksa, Radek, LW 1/9/94 L 6.03 202 Kitchener OHL
17. Wilson, Thomas, RW 3/29/94 R 6.03.5 203 Plymouth OHL
18. Finn, Matthew, LD 2/24/94 L 6.00.25 195 Guelph OHL
19. Lindholm, Hampus, LD 1/20/94 L 6.02.5 196 Rogle SweJE
20. Aberg, Pontus, LW 9/23/93 R 5.11 187 Djurgarden SweE
21. Koekkoek, Slater, LD 2/18/94 L 6.02 184 Peterborough OHL
22. Pouliot, Derrick, D 1/16/94 L 5.11.25 186 Portland WHL
23. Laughton, Scott, C 5/30/94 L 6.00 177 Oshawa OHL
24. Girgensons, Zemgus, F 1/5/94 L 6.01.25 201 Dubuque USHL
25. Sissons, Colton, C/R 11/5/93 L 6.01 189 Kelowna WHL
26. Skjei, Brady, LD 3/26/1994 L 6.03 203 USA Under-18 NTDP
27. Thrower, Dalton, RD 12/20/93 R 5.11.25 189 Saskatoon WHL
28. Bystrom, Ludvig, LD 7/29/94 L 6.00.75 208 Modo SweE
29. Pelech, Adam, LD 8/16/94, L, 6.02 210 Erie OHL
30. Hertl, Tomas, LW 11/12/93 L 6.02 198 Slavia CzeE

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05-16-2012, 03:50 PM
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I want to draft one guy with an epic name. Griffin Reinhardt, Dalton Thrower, etc..

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05-16-2012, 07:22 PM
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I don't think Nick was a riser. I was reading the thread in the prospect section about teams draft boards, and someone posted the 2006 draft video. Pierre told GMGM that Backstrom was the best player. Doubt that would happen if he was a riser.
He wasn't, he was rated #3rd or #4th generally by the sites I saw, Alzner was the steal for us, even though I wasn't a huge fan (was leery at the write ups about him, just seemed like a solid player with limited upside, but a sound one), as he was expected to go #4 overall, but the Kings shocked everyone with the Hickey pick and he made it to us. I think i was interested in Van Riemsdyk, Voracek, and Cherapanov in a trade down. Glad we got Karl.

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05-16-2012, 07:24 PM
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I want to draft one guy with an epic name. Griffin Reinhardt, Dalton Thrower, etc..
Maatta, Olli

Also a good name.

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Probably won't happen but what are the odds that Grigerinko drops to our pick?

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I don't care if he's there, I wouldn't touch him.

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Its looking more and more like he will fall to us, and im more and more leaning towards not picking him.

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Maatta, Olli

Also a good name.
I pick the guy with no vowels in his name.

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I know theres all that bad stuff about Grigerenko going around but what would your opinions be if he dropped to us and we picked him? Am I the only one who wouldn't mind taking a gamble on him?

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I know theres all that bad stuff about Grigerenko going around but what would your opinions be if he dropped to us and we picked him? Am I the only one who wouldn't mind taking a gamble on him?
Don't think he'll far that far but if he did yeah I would be down despite the Semin/Kuznetsov anger around here.

Back to the draft I can't say it enough...BPA. Look five years down the road when a prospect drafted in the teens could, on average, have an impact....AO will be 31. All that being said if there is a trade to me that makes sense then I would be fine vs. some kinda desperate trade by a GM. And strung if you make a post saying to trade it ur going to be thread banned for a time .

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05-17-2012, 12:49 AM
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I'd absolutely pick him at 16. Having two picks allows you to take that kind of risk with the second one. With that talent level, I think you take the chance that he'll mature.

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Gals' no longer a Center? I thought he was...

And I'd take Grigor in a heartbeat. I just hope the little rumor I heard about us packaging the first for Nash was wrong...

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I know #16 may be a bit to soon but I like what Tom Wilson would ad to the team. He would go a long way in making the harder to play against.

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What if that BPA different is.... minuscule. .1% Only slight concensus 50.01% experts grade him higher than the guy behind him. Is BPA still standard protocol, and thus its always wise to ignore organizational needs?

With the failure rate of hockey prospects, I sure hope people that wrongly decided who was best are not weighed as heavily in future grading periods.
BPA = the guy your scouts rank the highest not some average of all the 'major' scouting services.

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05-17-2012, 09:48 AM
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Trade the picks!

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Don't think he'll far that far but if he did yeah I would be down despite the Semin/Kuznetsov anger around here.

Back to the draft I can't say it enough...BPA. Look five years down the road when a prospect drafted in the teens could, on average, have an impact....AO will be 31. All that being said if there is a trade to me that makes sense then I would be fine vs. some kinda desperate trade by a GM. And strung if you make a post saying to trade it ur going to be thread banned for a time .

It would be beyond idiotic to go for need with the pick. Other than a handful of guys, the bulk of these players take 2-4 years to make it to the big club, and anything and everything can happen to the needs of a team and its farm in 2-4 years, from free agent signings, to TDL's vets for prospects deals, to obscure talents developing into elite talents. You simply can never know how far along you will be several years down the road, and as a result, you absolutely have to simply inject the best prospects you possibly can via your draft into the pipeline. I don't want to see mindnumbingly stupid picks like Jomar Cruz, and Brian Sutherby, I don't want to see a 2005 redux of size/grinder picks after being hosed by the lockout draft slotting process. I do want to see us take the very best player available on the draft board when we pick at 11, and when we pick at 16. Trade scenarios, sure, we should keep our options open in that sense, we could have gotten Parise years ago if we had both ears and eyes open at huge value after all, so we should always be involved in possible movements up or down, but our decision making should always be about getting the best player possible, when we pick, period. I don't care if he's a winger, or a defensemen or a center, or hell even a goalie (though of course I'd avoid goalie if possible, with young 'uns in Neuvie and Holtby, I'd prefer to worry about goalie later), get the best players, at worst, you get genuine value for TDL deals in the future, at best, you get the best talent you possibly could at slot for the team.

It's a no lose situation, the only time you lose is when you force need, particularly in a draft where players are generally this far away from competing in the first place (just look at baseball, baseball teams aren't looking for 2nd basemen, or left fielders when they pick, they're looking at 18 year olds, and 20-22 year olds, they're just looking to get the best talent possible for their farm, just as we should be doing in hockey (granted sometimes baseball teams are morons, and actually in the past refused to go over slot, thankfully the Nats were never one of those teams under Rizzo until the new CBA changed the rules this fall).

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05-17-2012, 09:56 AM
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Trade the picks!
Nope. It's players like Gustaffson that will fuel the drive to get Ovechkin a cup in the twilight of his career.

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Nope. It's players like Gustaffson that will fuel the drive to get Ovechkin a cup in the twilight of his career.
Yeah 1st round misses are not allowed I guess...

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Tom Wilson would be just a god awful pick in the first round, huuuuuuge reach.

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Yeah 1st round misses are not allowed I guess...
I'd rather have Brouwer than a coin flip with a five year maturity.

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That would be Anton Jr.?

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I'd rather have Brouwer than a coin flip with a five year maturity.
So at what point does it become a coin flip after say the first 10?

Gustafsson was a bust while Carlson was a hit 6 picks later. The Caps have picked a lot of NHL players in the 1st round outside of the top 10. But sure trade them all for the Brouwers of the world...

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So at what point does it become a coin flip after say the first 10?

Gustafsson was a bust while Carlson was a hit 6 picks later. The Caps have picked a lot of NHL players in the 1st round outside of the top 10. But sure trade them all for the Brouwers of the world...


You just described a coin flip. In 2008 we got one heads and one tails.

And the second point of contention is the time frame. We're trying to win now (presumably). And we're already waiting on Johansson and Kuznetzov to show up.

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Trade the picks!
IMO, at least one gets moved in a deal for a 2nd line scorer....packaged that is...

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IMO, at least one gets moved in a deal for a 2nd line scorer....packaged that is...
F it. Move em both for someone decent. Not even sure who is on the market, but screw this weak ass draft.

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