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04-16-2012, 09:41 PM
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Spezza is a winger btw. Did you not realize that when he plays "D" he is up on the points in his own zone, therefore is not even a real center. The guy is replaceable. There are young players coming into the league that will be better than him, some already are. And you don't need a top center 1 and 2... nor a 1a 1b... just look at Boston.. they have hardnose centerman that play a gritty game.
Name one of those players that we can swap with spezza. He has his flaws but unfortunately the only way to replace him is to draft one.

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Doesn't the rangers have the best defensive stats in the league? They win by defence and capitalizing their chances. If they play philly or boston, it's gonna be low scoring games too.
RIGHT. So Ottawa needs to score first in order to have a chance to win a game. Who is going to score that goal?????????????????????????

That's what this team is missing. There is no big name player....

Chris Neil might be our best chance during the playoffs. Really. No joke.

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Is NY the 8th seed underdog?? Sure looked like it..

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RIGHT. So Ottawa needs to score first in order to have a chance to win a game. Who is going to score that goal?????????????????????????

That's what this team is missing. There is no big name player....

Chris Neil might be our best chance during the playoffs. Really. No joke.
We've had the lead for exactly 0 seconds this entire series.

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As an Islanders fan I have totally adopted Ottawa in the playoffs. I am taking on all comers as Ottawa in NHL12.

I miss Konopka a ton. Watching you guys now reminds me of the togetherness and the toughness that led to the Isles great second half last year. Unfortunately our organization did not appreciate his outspoken nature even though the players on the team seemed to love it.

With Character guys like Z, Neil and Carkner as well as Karlsson who is a treat to watch and Spezza who was our Isles gift to you for Yashin... The sens are easy to adopt. You are outplaying the Rags. Keep it up!

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Name one of those players that we can swap with spezza. He has his flaws but unfortunately the only way to replace him is to draft one.
You can't swap Spezza for RNH because he is already better than Spezza and cheaper.

Brayden Schenn looks like a great player to build around. He won't be traded for Spezza.

Toews. M.Richards. just to name a few. And trust me there are many more.

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We've had the lead for exactly 0 seconds this entire series.
so who do you pay to score goals? is it your 3rd and 4th line players making 500,000K a year?

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This is all part of their master plan to win this series on home ice in game six.

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QUOTE=9MM;48211175]Spezza is a winger btw. Did you not realize that when he plays "D" he is up on the points in his own zone, therefore is not even a real center. The guy is replaceable. There are young players coming into the league that will be better than him, some already are. And you don't need a top center 1 and 2... nor a 1a 1b... just look at Boston.. they have hardnose centerman that play a gritty game.[/QUOTE]


Shocking that the Spezza haters are out in full force now. Glad to see the parasites are back, three games into the series

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We just need better 'net presence'.

Lundqvist always stops the first shot - but gives up a TON of rebounds.

We just never seem to have someone there to capitalize on them.

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Tough loss to swallow.

With the extra day off Alfie will have a little extra time to recover, and hopefully he is ready for the next game. Butler was great (albeit no Alfredsson) and did not look out of place on the second line. If Alfie returns for game 4, I would consider keeping Butler on the second unit and bumping Alfredsson up to the top line. Only problem is who do we sit?

Spezz and Michalek need someone to get them going. Every inch of Spezza's space has been taken away, and his offense is suffering without someone to make quick plays with--Alfie might resolve that. I might also go back to Carks as the 6th D, though Gilroy played decently. Carkner will be able to distract Boyle, at very least, and hopefully throw the Rangers off their game.

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We just need better 'net presence'.

Lundqvist always stops the first shot - but gives up a TON of rebounds.

We just never seem to have someone there to capitalize on them.
Very much this. Turris has been playing quite well, but he drives me crazy every time he misses one of those golden chances in front of the net. He has the intelligence and instinct to be in the right place around the net, with strength he'll be able to bury those.

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This is all part of their master plan to win this series on home ice in game six.
Again how do you win without having a lead? The team obviously really missed Alfie.

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so who do you pay to score goals? is it your 3rd and 4th line players making 500,000K a year?
Boyle scored for NY.

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Michalek works best when he has room to accelerate. He has amazing top speed but it takes him a bit longer to get there IMO (part of being so big, sort of like Spezza). The Rangers play a tight traffic and checking game making it hard for Michalek to get room. Without Spezza making it for him and Karlsson holding back on the stretch passes a bit, he hasn't really been able to stand out. He can't make his own offense, sort of like Fisher.
I agree that he needs room to use his speed. But he has another dimension to his game and its time to switch it up by crashing the net he has the body and power to do so. He scored quite a few goals this year getting those garbage goals and coupled that with the fact the rangers dont have anyone that can clear the crease that well; he should begin look more noticeable.

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Sens need to get into Lundqvist cage and rattle it, Konopka tried but we need more of it as we need to get him off of his game. Next game we need to get back to how we played in the 2nd game and be more physical.

P.S. Why was Boyle left all alone in front of Andy???
Let's all hope Alfy is back next game as he clearly might be the difference maker in this series as Spez and Michalek are clearly not.
I agree. I think we have a better chance of winning if we get back to playing mean and nasty. Carkner will be back in the lineup next game and we will see an increase in terms of the physical play by the sens. Overall they still played a solid game tonight and they still have a good chance of winning this series.

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We just need better 'net presence'.

Lundqvist always stops the first shot - but gives up a TON of rebounds.

We just never seem to have someone there to capitalize on them.
We had better net presence in game 2, hopefully the sens can get back to that.

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You can't swap Spezza for RNH because he is already better than Spezza and cheaper.

Brayden Schenn looks like a great player to build around. He won't be traded for Spezza.

Toews. M.Richards. just to name a few. And trust me there are many more.
That's my point. At this point we need him so let's hope he smartens up and play better.

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The Sens don't come close to the playoffs without Spezza. Now he is being shutdown by an underrated defender who few of us knew was that good. Still a few more games for the top line to figure him out. No need to jump off the ledge.

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Didn't Spezza set up two of Turris's great chances tonight?

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Boyle scored for NY.
He has 3 more goals than Spezza. Yikes.. and we pay Spezza how much to make no look passes to the other team?

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Again how do you win without having a lead? The team obviously really missed Alfie.
Okay, Debbie, relax.



It's not that serious.

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If there's one thing I'm taking away from tonight it's this: 9MM (the poster - not the player) has a VERY fast internet connection. Dude is every second post.

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Shocking that the Spezza haters are out in full force now. Glad to see the parasites are back, three games into the series
What are you getting at? It's the playoffs. There was a ton of compete by everyone. For Spezza and Michalek the compete was there half the time. And even when it was they were flubbing passes to them, skating by pucks, they couldn't pass to anyone's stick.

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There isn't any pressure in those games....that's the thing.
Spezza is a very good player but when things become airtight he has a lot of trouble opening space and he doesn't have the drive/ability to drive to the net or create space.

Like Pat Burns told him back in the day at a worlds:

"Do you want to be a guy that gets 90-100 points and never wins, or get 60-80 and be a two-way player that's hard to play against?" (Paraphrasing).
Spezza needs to do more in the post-season or this team will be perennial first-round patsies.
Right, the first three games of this series make Spezza's 47 points in 49 career playoff games completely irrelevant. (Let's not forget his performance in '03 to prolong the Devils series, or his 14 pts in 10 games in '06 when we made it to the 2nd round, or his 22 in 20 in '07 when we made the frigging final. First round patsies, of course.)

Spezza has not been good so far this series, that's obvious. Give some credit to the Rangers for shutting him down, but he's got to simplify his game and start getting pucks on net. If he was playing at his usual level, there's a good chance we'd be up 2-1.

That said, look at the situation: The team that every fan and pundit predicted would be lagging at the bottom of the conference made the playoffs (in large part because of Spezza) and is right on the heels of the best team in the East. Without Lundqvist's brilliance tonight, we'd be up 2-1, with our three best forwards struggling or out of the lineup. If we convert a couple of our chances, does Spezza get anywhere near the same vitriol directed his way?

Right now, the second line and grinders are providing nearly all the offense, which worked when we were able to score in game 2 and failed tonight. Again, Spezza and Michalek obviously need to be better, and I expect they will be on Wednesday. Disregarding Spezza's entire career's worth of playoff accomplishments (which the above post is basically doing) based on a rough start to the series against the top team in the conference is more than a little unfair.

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Didn't Spezza set up two of Turris's great chances tonight?
That blind pass at the end negates all the positives he did.

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