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Nathan might get 90 plus but when was the last time a guy broke 100 points in his draft year in the Q?

Only 2 guys broke 100 last year.

Okay I looked it up Huberdeau in 11 but if I was going to bet on the next guy it would be Nathan.

Nathan is still the frontrunner for 13 with maybe Jones challenging him.
Barring injuries and Mono I believe you'll see 2 to 4 guys over 100 points next season, in their draft year.

Drouin, Mackinnon
Duclair, Sorensen (if he stays in Qc)
Drouin and Mackinnon, will have it a little easier, because their coach does not impose that much playing D. Plus their division "should be" a little easier to play in.

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Barring injuries and Mono I believe you'll see 2 to 4 guys over 100 points next season, in their draft year.

Drouin, Mackinnon
Duclair, Sorensen (if he stays in Qc)
Drouin and Mackinnon, will have it a little easier, because their coach does not impose that much playing D. Plus their division "should be" a little easier to play in.

And over 60-70 points
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The East looks like the easiest imo. Quebec is the only true great team, while Moncton is good competition for the Moose. But, ya, you're right, I think MacKinnon will hit 100+ and Drouin, Erne if they go hard too.

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There is no question mark on Duclair's hockey sense, this is from people who do not understand the creativity of Duclair's play. He's more of a European type of player, where he keeps the puck on his stick a little longer than average. I spoke to a couple scouts at the U-17 in Winnipeg and in Qc, they have no question on his hockey IQ. Patrick Roy has no question on his hockey IQ as well. He did set up his line-mates 35 times last season and had a differential of +38!


If you look at his monthly stats, you'll see he's been consistent every single month of last season, there was no issue prior to January. He even beat out Gregorenko for the Offensive Player of the first half of the season for the Remparts!!! I was at the ceremony when the Remparts gave him that honour!

Duclair's middle name is Consistency. What he improved is more the fact that he accepted the role Patrick gave him. At the very beginning of the season, he was struggling to accept the #2 position!

Concerning his weight, it did not bother Nugget-Hopkins who was drafter at 165lbs. According to his twitter and others who's reported on this board, he's over 180lbs right now, so he's taken care of this part.

With this said, Drouin is still a hell of a player, over Duclair??? It depends what your team needs.
I question whether you know what hockey sense is... I didn't call Duclair in consistent, and I didn't say he can't pass...

He get by on talent, and doesn't always make the best descions... This is a concern at the pro level.

I would take Drouin over Duclair on a heartbeat. If Duclair keeps on showing an improved hockey sense then this is a different conversation.

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I question whether you know what hockey sense is... I didn't call Duclair in consistent, and I didn't say he can't pass...

He get by on talent, and doesn't always make the best descions... This is a concern at the pro level.

I would take Drouin over Duclair on a heartbeat. If Duclair keeps on showing an improved hockey sense then this is a different conversation.
Taking one player over the other, that's fine, it's a choice, but talent is what will get him at the pro level. He doesn't "get by" he thrives on his primary attributes, which is speed, he uses his talent to his benefits, which is perfectly normal. All blue chip players thrive on their respective positive attributes! At the pro level, the game is becoming a specialist game, where every player has a specific role and task to accomplish.

Concerning the decision making, I'll put a hold on that for now. He was linemates with 2 great players, but slow skaters.

Now imagine at the U-18, a line with Nate (speedster as well) imagine the high tempo playmaking of these 2..... For which will be a prelude to the NHL.

Google the bleach report, in the article that came out july 26th, they servey the top players by position. They speak about Duclair, but look at the video they put up of him. The second goal, he starts the play in his own zone and passes it to Grego, than goes for the net. My point is, because of his speed AND hockey sense, he recognizes the coverage and was able to catch and pass Sumakis going for the net. If you look closely at the video, you'll see Duclair being the creator of the entire play. This has been a standard for Duclair, creating his own chances by the "give and go", for which this type of playmaking abilities, teams at the pro level lacks and are begging to have.

At the interview after the game, Grego said he turned around thinking Duclair was behind him, when he realized he was not, he put the puck towards the net.

At the U-18, with Nate centering Duclair, there won't be any questions, "where is Duclair"! You know he'll be going to the net.

Duclair is not far off from Drouin, when it comes to hockey sense and play making abilities and there is at least 20-25 other videos like this one on the net, showing him creating plays. Not everyone can follow Duclair, that's the problem, it's not because he lacks hockey sense.

The game is played in your mind first, Duclair's mind is too fast for most players and his feet follows.

I'll be at the U-18 camp, I'll provide you guys all the juicy details....

Last year, Duclair got in hot waters several times, because his linemates were not able to follow. Patrick told him to circle the net and wait for a trailer, if he cannot beat the D. Which he started doing and worked. He adjusted to his linemates.

That won't be a concern at the pro level. The New NHL is all about speed, agility and athleticism, for which Duclair has lots! Drouin needs to work on his skating, if he wants to stay at the pro level. He's got exceptional hands, yes, but his skating is average. I understand he worked on that this summer, so it will be better this coming season. From what I understand, him and Duclair had private skating lessons in Toronto on a weekly basis.

Drouin might be the best playmaker in this year's draft (yet to be officially determined), but Duclair is more athletic of the 2 (yet to be officially determined as well). In the long run, athleticism is much more important than playmaking. And Duclair showed his athletic abilities over and over again, especially the game against St-John (on national TV) scorring the R's only goal while fighting off 2 Ds, while everyone else were intimidated.

If I was Mark Bergevin or Brian Burke and I had a choice between these 2 players, I would pick Duclair over Drouin. Because Duclair's skill sets are not far off from Drouin's and add his athletic abilities, which are far superior than Drouin's. Plus the way these teams are composed, they are much better suited for speed. But that's just my opinion.

FYI: Folks, please do not question Duclair's weight any longer, the kid put on almost 20 lbs during the summer! it's official!!! According to his friends and Duclair's twitter account AND Catheline Lavoie's twitter account (she's a reporter with the major newspaper in the Qc area) they all twitted in early July that he's a hair under 6 feet and 178 lbs and that his objective is to roam around 220 lbs in 4 yrs. That shows how dedicated this kid is to improving his game!
On the Rempart's web site, they have him listed at 5"11, 159lbs. Great progress! And great progress to Drouin as well, who hit 190lbs!


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Barring injuries and Mono I believe you'll see 2 to 4 guys over 100 points next season, in their draft year.

Drouin, Mackinnon
Duclair, Sorensen (if he stays in Qc)
Drouin and Mackinnon, will have it a little easier, because their coach does not impose that much playing D. Plus their division "should be" a little easier to play in.

And over 60-70 points
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You really think he has a chance? Interesting.

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You really think he has a chance? Interesting.
These 4 players are hungry for success, they all have great skill sets and all have a great supporting cast. Plus more than half of the teams in their respective divisions will be at the "bottom of the food chain" (no punn intended ) so, they'll be racking up points against these lower level teams.

Therefore, yes, I believe they all could roam around 90-100+ points, if they remain healthy, if they can sustain the harsh schedule and added responsibilities that will be given to them AND if they don't get distracted by media frenzy that will be created around them, especially if there is a lock-out.

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Taking one player over the other, that's fine, it's a choice, but talent is what will get him at the pro level. He doesn't "get by" he thrives on his primary attributes, which is speed, he uses his talent to his benefits, which is perfectly normal. All blue chip players thrive on their respective positive attributes! At the pro level, the game is becoming a specialist game, where every player has a specific role and task to accomplish.

Concerning the decision making, I'll put a hold on that for now. He was linemates with 2 great players, but slow skaters.

Now imagine at the U-18, a line with Nate (speedster as well) imagine the high tempo playmaking of these 2..... For which will be a prelude to the NHL.

Google the bleach report, in the article that came out july 26th, they servey the top players by position. They speak about Duclair, but look at the video they put up of him. The second goal, he starts the play in his own zone and passes it to Grego, than goes for the net. My point is, because of his speed AND hockey sense, he recognizes the coverage and was able to catch and pass Sumakis going for the net. If you look closely at the video, you'll see Duclair being the creator of the entire play. This has been a standard for Duclair, creating his own chances by the "give and go", for which this type of playmaking abilities, teams at the pro level lacks and are begging to have.

At the interview after the game, Grego said he turned around thinking Duclair was behind him, when he realized he was not, he put the puck towards the net.

At the U-18, with Nate centering Duclair, there won't be any questions, "where is Duclair"! You know he'll be going to the net.

Duclair is not far off from Drouin, when it comes to hockey sense and play making abilities and there is at least 20-25 other videos like this one on the net, showing him creating plays. Not everyone can follow Duclair, that's the problem, it's not because he lacks hockey sense.

The game is played in your mind first, Duclair's mind is too fast for most players and his feet follows.

I'll be at the U-18 camp, I'll provide you guys all the juicy details....

Last year, Duclair got in hot waters several times, because his linemates were not able to follow. Patrick told him to circle the net and wait for a trailer, if he cannot beat the D. Which he started doing and worked. He adjusted to his linemates.

That won't be a concern at the pro level. The New NHL is all about speed, agility and athleticism, for which Duclair has lots! Drouin needs to work on his skating, if he wants to stay at the pro level. He's got exceptional hands, yes, but his skating is average. I understand he worked on that this summer, so it will be better this coming season. From what I understand, him and Duclair had private skating lessons in Toronto on a weekly basis.

Drouin might be the best playmaker in this year's draft (yet to be officially determined), but Duclair is more athletic of the 2 (yet to be officially determined as well). In the long run, athleticism is much more important than playmaking. And Duclair showed his athletic abilities over and over again, especially the game against St-John (on national TV) scorring the R's only goal while fighting off 2 Ds, while everyone else were intimidated.

If I was Mark Bergevin or Brian Burke and I had a choice between these 2 players, I would pick Duclair over Drouin. Because Duclair's skill sets are not far off from Drouin's and add his athletic abilities, which are far superior than Drouin's. Plus the way these teams are composed, they are much better suited for speed. But that's just my opinion.

FYI: Folks, please do not question Duclair's weight any longer, the kid put on almost 20 lbs during the summer! it's official!!! According to his friends and Duclair's twitter account AND Catheline Lavoie's twitter account (she's a reporter with the major newspaper in the Qc area) they all twitted in early July that he's a hair under 6 feet and 178 lbs and that his objective is to roam around 220 lbs in 4 yrs. That shows how dedicated this kid is to improving his game!
On the Rempart's web site, they have him listed at 5"11, 159lbs. Great progress! And great progress to Drouin as well, who hit 190lbs!
Have you ever seen Drouin play ?

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Revo, you can add this, How come Duclair has the EXACT SAME amount of goals as your 22???? oops!
Ah not sure if serious? Playing 5 more games and on a line with grigs would be my best guess....

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Have you ever seen Drouin play ?
I've known these boys (Drouin, Duclair, Fucale, Deluca, Gauthier, Hudon, Venne, Gravel) since they were playing Atom level hockey. I live North of MTL. I know their story and I've seen their evolution to the players they are today. My son played with and against all of them.

I still remember the year Venne dominated everyone on this list..... I remember folks on this board stating that Venne would be a top 5 pic for 2013, so much he caused comotions. That was before Drouin and Duclair hit puberty..... Lol!!!

I missed maybe 3 to 4 games when Drouin and Duclair were playing for the Lions. I saw about 30 Remparts games and 15 Moose games. I was at every single series games when the Rs faced the Moose, in Qc and in Halifax.

Drouin and Duclair have been doing what they're doing since they slipped on skates. It's nothing new to me! They both are phenoms in their own rights.


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Ah not sure if serious? Playing 5 more games and on a line with grigs would be my best guess....

(Uptight mackinnon supporter )
Everyone says that, but won't look at his videos. Half the time, he's the one who creates the plays for Grigs. Look at the video posted on The Bleach Report, his second goal and let me know who's the play maker on that one. And this is only 1 example......

But, YES, I agree with you, Nates is much more of a playmaker than Dukes. hands down!!!

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I've known these boys (Drouin, Duclair, Fucale, Deluca, Gauthier, Hudon, Venne, Gravel) since they were playing Atom level hockey. I live North of MTL. I know their story and I've seen their evolution to the players they are today. My son played with and against all of them.

I still remember the year Venne dominated everyone on this list..... I remember folks on this board stating that Venne would be a top 5 pic for 2013, so much he caused comotions. That was before Drouin and Duclair hit puberty..... Lol!!!

I missed maybe 3 to 4 games when Drouin and Duclair were playing for the Lions. I saw about 30 Remparts games and 15 Moose games. I was at every single series games when the Rs faced the Moose, in Qc and in Halifax.

Drouin and Duclair have been doing what they're doing since they slipped on skates. It's nothing new to me! They both are phenoms in their own rights.
Then should know that Drouin's skating isn't an issue. Though I agree that Duclair is way more explosive.

Hahaha Phillipe Venne, who can forget the hype ?

Duclair doesn't have the same hockey sense that Drouin does... He's average in that regard. That's my point.

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Then should know that Drouin's skating isn't an issue. Though I agree that Duclair is way more explosive.

Hahaha Phillipe Venne, who can forget the hype ?

Duclair doesn't have the same hockey sense that Drouin does... He's average in that regard. That's my point.
totally agree, Drouin has no issue moving around, although his skating needs work.

That's where we dissagree, I do not put Duclair in the average, in terms of hockey sense, but heck, at least I understand your point now.

Yes, Mr. Venne!!! Who can forget. But to be fare, the kid did rip it out in 2nd year pee-wee, when he was already 5"7 and over 150 lbs. Remember when he made Midget AAA as an under age player??? Frenzy time!!!! I still remember people saying he was the next "Great one"

Anyhow......

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Really want this guy in the upcoming draft.
The Leafs will have a great player this upcoming draft. Burke is in the hot seat, he cannot afford to make any mistakes!

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As a Remparts fan, I would take Drouin before Duclair.

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When did he do that? He picked Reilly..?

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totally agree, Drouin has no issue moving around, although his skating needs work.

That's where we dissagree, I do not put Duclair in the average, in terms of hockey sense, but heck, at least I understand your point now.

Yes, Mr. Venne!!! Who can forget. But to be fare, the kid did rip it out in 2nd year pee-wee, when he was already 5"7 and over 150 lbs. Remember when he made Midget AAA as an under age player??? Frenzy time!!!! I still remember people saying he was the next "Great one"

Anyhow......
He could add a few pounds to his thighs and calfs IMO, would add a whole new dimension to his game, but he go his whole career without improving it and still be a dam good player. I think you mentioned that he has already taken a step to improve his skating ?

Duclair at the start of AAA (2010-2011) made a few bone headed plays, got suspended and somehow managed back to back hat tricks to start the year... I still don't know how he did it, his temper was more under control as the season wore on, but he still lost it a few times. At times he was selfish or opted not to make use of his teammates, or rushed the play instead on slowing it down...


Well to be honest you can't place that much hype in a 12 year old who's 5:7, in peewee height is a massive advantage. And still a big one in Bantam... He reminds me of the whole Steve Anthony story..

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Well to be honest you can't place that much hype in a 12 year old who's 5:7, in peewee height is a massive advantage. And still a big one in Bantam... He reminds me of the whole Steve Anthony story..
Maybe its just me but is 5'7 at 12 really all that big? Doesn't seem to be.

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Maybe its just me but is 5'7 at 12 really all that big? Doesn't seem to be.
In Peewee yes, it's huge.

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Maybe its just me but is 5'7 at 12 really all that big? Doesn't seem to be.
That's very big. I never hit 5'7 in Elementary school and I was the tall one on my team lol.

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That's very big. I never hit 5'7 in Elementary school and I was the tall one on my team lol.
Yeah, he was so big in pee-wee and his 1st yr bantam, that he dominated the entire province. Remember, he made Midget AAA as an under age and performed very well.

Once the other kids went through their growing spurt, it was a different story. I believe he'll be a late round pick, he's still very dangerous around the net.

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When did he do that? He picked Reilly..?
Lol!!! I think Burke is a changed man, he's much more in tune with where the NHL is heading, instead of remaining in the old mentality. We might not like very move he does or worst, all the moves he should of done, but he'll pick a great player for his team next draft.

If Burke loses this job, I don't see him having another opportunity as a GM on another team. That would be it for him.

This next draft will be much easier for him, how can you go wrong, if you have top 10 pick and not pick within the 10 to 12 first names listed by central scouting???

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that's fine, that's a choice. But the management thought differently, they did not go for Drouin and you know if they wanted to have him, they would of. I side with the management.

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The East looks like the easiest imo. Quebec is the only true great team, while Moncton is good competition for the Moose. But, ya, you're right, I think MacKinnon will hit 100+ and Drouin, Erne if they go hard too.
Not so convinced, Improved teams will include, Victo, Rimouski and Bay Comeau. Plus the Remparts will play lots against the West and teams like BBB and Gatineau should be powerhouses.

In the West, I espect PEI to be much better than last year, as you've said Moncton will be good, Sea dogs will take a huge drop, besides that, the other teams will be the same as last year.

It looks like the West will be much easier for a team like Halifax, then the East for Qc.

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