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04-19-2012, 02:01 PM
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Excuse my ignorance, but are GMs usually present for these hearings? Maloney being there could be a sign that he knows Torres is boned.

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04-19-2012, 02:28 PM
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Excuse my ignorance, but are GMs usually present for these hearings? Maloney being there could be a sign that he knows Torres is boned.
I believe the GM and the player's agent are typically present. Not sure though.

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04-19-2012, 03:24 PM
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Not sure how true this statement I just read from JJ at Hockeybuzz but this is what he said:
"Severe" whiplash (soft tissue injury), out 5-6 weeks. Also a concussion.

Was so swollen and in so much pain the other night, a complete diagnosis could not be made but they felt fairly confident he will be OK for summer training and next year.

He is being re-evaluated today so the results can be sent for Torres' hearing.

If you google what a "Severe whiplash" is this is what I found: can also include injury to the intervertebral joints, discs, ligaments, cervical muscles and nerve roots.

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04-19-2012, 03:39 PM
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Not sure how true this statement I just read from JJ at Hockeybuzz but this is what he said:
"Severe" whiplash (soft tissue injury), out 5-6 weeks. Also a concussion.

Was so swollen and in so much pain the other night, a complete diagnosis could not be made but they felt fairly confident he will be OK for summer training and next year.

He is being re-evaluated today so the results can be sent for Torres' hearing.

If you google what a "Severe whiplash" is this is what I found: can also include injury to the intervertebral joints, discs, ligaments, cervical muscles and nerve roots.
Done for the playoffs and so are the Hawks.

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04-19-2012, 03:40 PM
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Shoot. I am pissed all over again. I had a small hope that Hossa would somehow come back this season.

At the time, I called for at least an 8 game suspension for meathead. Even Don Cherry who usually stays mum on these matters predicted 10 games.

After hearing that diagnosis/prognosis, I hope the predator gets the remainder of the playoffs and 10 or more games next season.... but it still doesn't do us any good.

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04-19-2012, 03:42 PM
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Hopefully he can make a full recovery for next season. Hossa will be missed the rest of this series, and next (remaining positive).

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04-19-2012, 03:44 PM
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I was hoping as well selfishly that Hossa would be back. I knew that would be a stretch though.

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04-19-2012, 03:46 PM
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Severe whiplash? Forget the season, he might be done for good.

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04-19-2012, 03:49 PM
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I have a problem with 10 games, 20 games or even the 2013 regular season. That idiot almost put Hossa in a wheelchair for life! He might never be the same. If possible, the NHL should terminate Torres contract.

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04-19-2012, 03:52 PM
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Keep in mind none of this is confirmed. Anyone could easily make that assessment based on what happened. There is probably something to it unfortunately.

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04-19-2012, 05:05 PM
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I'm not believing that JJ article diagnosis untill it comes from the Blackhawks. JJ's been wrong on plenty (alot) of things before. Don't get worried about something that there is not 100% truth too. Remember that "broken jaw" rumor?

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04-19-2012, 05:12 PM
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I'm not believing that JJ article diagnosis untill it comes from the Blackhawks. JJ's been wrong on plenty (alot) of things before. Don't get worried about something that there is not 100% truth too. Remember that "broken jaw" rumor?
Exactly. I'll wait until I see it come from someone with more credibility.

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04-19-2012, 06:16 PM
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They really need to come back this game for Hossa. If you're mad now, you won't want to see what the trolls on TSN are saying about how Hossa 'deserved it' and how Torres is a hero etc etc

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Before I say what is on my mind I want to express my deep concern for a Hossa's health and my disdain for the hit.

I come in peace for the most part, but I am a frequent reader of all teams boards, rarely contribute, however I do post a lot on the Blackhawks official team forum... And on those forums, and this one Hawks fans were equally vulgar about the Keith hit on Sedin.

I do not wish injury on any player, but you guys cant have your cake and eat it to, and I am not claiming that you said anything negative about the Keith elbow regarding Daniel deserving it (although that was the consensus on Hawk boards), if you play with fire, you will get burned. I genuinely hope Hossa is ok and will make a full recovery, but listening to Toews, Kane, Seabs, Keith etc talking after the game about that hit, only a month after Keith took out one of the leagues best players with a deliberate elbow, it loses some of its impact, as does its credibility.

Torres is a great player to have on ones team, when he plays within the rules, its too bad that he often ventures outside of those rules and we are faced with a decision like this.
Keith made a big mistake. That elbow was deliberate but a mistake. His record indicates that. You didn't hear him say it was a "hockey hit". Torres is an animal, a repeat offending predator with no respect. Canucks are quite familiar with his behavior. He can't and won't be cured. Please let there be justice tomorrow.

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They really need to come back this game for Hossa. If you're mad now, you won't want to see what the trolls on TSN are saying about how Hossa 'deserved it' and how Torres is a hero etc etc
Is that what TSN is saying? On Tuesday's game they were also saying what a dirty hit it was.

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Not sure how true this statement I just read from JJ at Hockeybuzz but this is what he said:
"Severe" whiplash (soft tissue injury), out 5-6 weeks. Also a concussion.

Was so swollen and in so much pain the other night, a complete diagnosis could not be made but they felt fairly confident he will be OK for summer training and next year.

He is being re-evaluated today so the results can be sent for Torres' hearing.

If you google what a "Severe whiplash" is this is what I found: can also include injury to the intervertebral joints, discs, ligaments, cervical muscles and nerve roots.
I would be very surprised if it is "severe" whiplash. Whiplash is loosely categorized into WAD I, II or III (WAD = whiplash associated disorder). In order for Hossa to have WAD III he would have to be having positive neuro signs, which is doubtful based on the mechanism of injury. It is hard to put an exact timeline on it, and it depends on the severity of the whiplash, but either way at this point I would be more concerned with the concussion than the whiplash.

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I would be very surprised if it is "severe" whiplash. Whiplash is loosely categorized into WAD I, II or III (WAD = whiplash associated disorder). In order for Hossa to have WAD III he would have to be having positive neuro signs, which is doubtful based on the mechanism of injury. It is hard to put an exact timeline on it, and it depends on the severity of the whiplash, but either way at this point I would be more concerned with the concussion than the whiplash.
You sound smart. Are you a doctor?

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I have a problem with 10 games, 20 games or even the 2013 regular season. That idiot almost put Hossa in a wheelchair for life! He might never be the same. If possible, the NHL should terminate Torres contract.
Hunter got 20 games once in the following season, for something much, much milder .. so it's possible they could do the right thing and sit this cancer for a good period...... then place him on probation for life. Add the provision: One more major infraction and you're gone from the league!

I doubt however that Shanahan or the NHL has the stones, and not sure if the CBA comes into play in such a decision. Hopefully Shanny knows how far he can go ... and just DO IT.

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You sound smart. Are you a doctor?
Probably stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night.

Sorry couldn't resist. Good info though, you are right. I hope Hoss is ok.

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You sound smart. Are you a doctor?
Physiotherapist. I have seen a lot of whiplash.

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Max Pacioretty turned out okay after that massive hit last year. I hope Hossa turns out okay as well.

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Is that what TSN is saying? On Tuesday's game they were also saying what a dirty hit it was.
Sorry, I should have been more clear, it's the user comments, but regardless, I think some of them might actually be 'sincere' about their comments.

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Torres has to get a long suspension. He won't stop doing this like he has done this before

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Torres needs to leave the game.

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Chicago defenceman Duncan Keith was suspended five games for the March 21 elbow to the head that caused Sedin's involuntary hiatus. Sedin said players, not suspensions, can make the biggest difference when it comes to reducing head shots.

He said there was a difference between the intentional head shots and the controversial hit former teammate Raffi Torres delivered to Blackhawks' star Marian Hossa. Torres was suspended indefinitely for the hit.

"There's a difference between those kinds of hits," Sedin said. "That's more of a hockey hit. I know he left his feet, and he's probably going to get suspended for that. It's the other stuff that you want to get rid of, the intention to injure or (when) you do stuff that's not part of hockey.

"It's a different game now than it was before the rule changes. It's a faster game and stuff (is) going to happen. I still think it's up to the players. The suspension is not going to solve the problem."


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