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05-03-2012, 07:32 PM
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Besides Carroll - He's been a huge upgrade after the year we had last year with Nishioka.

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Besides Carroll - He's been a huge upgrade after the year we had last year with Nishioka.
And James Sheppard would be an improvement over a handful of the Mighty Mites out there at intermission...that doesn't make him anything worth writing home about.

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huge clubhouse guy.
I ****ing hate that term. So Willingham probably doesn't know any magic tricks... who cares?

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Yeah Willingham replaces Cuddyer at bat but is Delmon Young in the field.

Actually that's another thing the Twins have really gotten away from - for a team who were once known for spectacular defense, they have a lot of below average guys in the field.
Cuddyer wasn't ever that great of a defender. Limited range but made up for it with a strong arm. The arm wasn't there anymore (just check his outfield assist stats over the last 2-3 years).

Is cuddyer a better defender than Willingham? Yes. Is the difference all that big? No.

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05-03-2012, 10:54 PM
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Cuddyer was versatile; he could play first, second, third, and outfield. But...I honestly think Willignham is a better offensive threat and better hitter, which we clearly need.

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Cuddyer was versatile; he could play first, second, third, and outfield. But...I honestly think Willignham is a better offensive threat and better hitter, which we clearly need.

Cuddy could play first and RF at this point in his career. He plays a really sub-par 2b, and hasn't played 3rd in YEARS. (fun fact he started in the org as a SS). At this point in his career he was only slightly more versatile than Willingham...

I liked Cuddyer, and he was one of my favorite Twins... but it was time to move on.

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05-04-2012, 01:05 AM
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I've always wondered but haven't remembered to ask until now, but whatever happened to Nishioka? Did we send him to the minors or did he go back to Japan or something?

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05-04-2012, 01:09 AM
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I ****ing hate that term. So Willingham probably doesn't know any magic tricks... who cares?
This guy I like.

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I've always wondered but haven't remembered to ask until now, but whatever happened to Nishioka? Did we send him to the minors or did he go back to Japan or something?
He's in AAA Rochester, last I heard he was doing just awful.

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05-04-2012, 05:09 AM
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Combination of both, I suppose. Never should have let Hardy, Punto or Ramos go. Nishioka and Capps were both bad decision to pick up (we later found out) and bad luck.
Caps looked great when he first showed up. Got a lot of tough saves down the stretch that year. But last year and this year he just looks like a complete waste of a roster spot.

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He's in AAA Rochester, last I heard he was doing just awful.
What a waste. I cant believe we paid HOW MUCH for that guy? What a joke.

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05-04-2012, 08:20 AM
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I've always wondered but haven't remembered to ask until now, but whatever happened to Nishioka? Did we send him to the minors or did he go back to Japan or something?
He was like 1 or 2 for 20 to start and last I checked he was batting around .100.

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Caps looked great when he first showed up. Got a lot of tough saves down the stretch that year. But last year and this year he just looks like a complete waste of a roster spot.



What a waste. I cant believe we paid HOW MUCH for that guy? What a joke.
We bought his contract rights for around $4-5M and gave him a contract for $3M+ a year annually for three years. We let Punto go (making less than $1M a year when he signed with Cards) and Hardy go, who went on to have a career year and smack 30 out and 80RBI the next year with the Orioles. Nishioka one of the worst pickups in the franchise's history.

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05-04-2012, 08:40 AM
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Tom Powers: Minnesota Twins should revert to their thrifty ways

The Twins need to cut their payroll to the bare bone.

Front-office types need to go back to standing in line to receive their daily lump of coal for the pot-bellied stoves in their offices. Paper clips need to be properly requested, in triplicate, via the appropriate forms. Soap fragments from the clubhouse once again should be lumped together and brought to the executive washrooms.

And everyone needs to work by candlelight, circa 1999. Spend more money? No way. The Twins need to spend less.
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05-04-2012, 09:55 AM
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Tom Powers is probably the worst sports journalist I've ever read.

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That article was a good read, but I would say that they need to take their management philosophy and organizational backbones from the cheap as hell days and expand on them now that we have the money to actually be near to or on the same level as the "buy a title" teams.

In fact I'm pretty sure what the "buy a title" teams that actually have won titles do. They have a strong, unwavering set of core principles for internal development, and they augment that with the best free agent talent money can buy.

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05-04-2012, 12:05 PM
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The Yankees started out by drafting some really key players, and then keeping them. Twins if they held on to Santana could have been in a similar situation, but they also had a terrible run with pitchers needing TJ.

Powers' article is just a joke though. You want a $60M payroll, half of which goes to Mauer? Yeah, right. You don't break the bank for that player and then throw out cheap garbage players in every other spot.

And I wouldn't call the 2000's a great success with a multitude of first round exits and playing 163 games twice.

They spent FOR ONE YEAR and failed. That doesn't mean it's a recipe for failure. Tom Power is not familiar with the phrase, "small sample size." Especially when $40M is spent on players sitting on the sidelines the whole year. So it was really an $80M payroll, not $120M.

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05-04-2012, 01:43 PM
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Powers is completely right though... he's not saying that the extra money is dooming the Twins. He's saying that the Twins, as an organization, have no idea what they hell they're doing with it, and that they first need to go back to their organizational principles, because money isn't a replacement for a solid foundation.

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It doesn't make sense.

His reasoning:

1. When the Twins were cheap, they were successful.
2. When the Twins spent money last year, they were not successful.
3. Therefore, the Twins need to be cheap to be successful.

Just a logical failure.

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Some people just don't do well with money. The Twins, apparently, should be counted among them.
BULLETPROOF reasoning, Tom!

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Now, the team is paying the price for getting absolutely zero for Johan Santana, the best pitcher in baseball at the time. It's struggling with a rotation that is too expensive to simply discard. It's suffering because of the trade of two young regulars for Delmon Young, who was such an expensive jerk that he became one of those guys everybody just wanted to see disappear. They got nothing for him. And on and on ...
NONE of those things happened during the Target Field and spending era!

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05-04-2012, 02:04 PM
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Having not read the article (or ever cared about baseball) and judging solely from comments in the thread:

His conclusion might be right, but his reasoning is horribly wrong. As they say "even a broken clock is right twice a day." Reaching the appropriate conclusion through faulty logic is something that should always be condemned. It's the process, not the conclusion which is important.

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05-04-2012, 02:25 PM
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It doesn't make sense.

His reasoning:

1. When the Twins were cheap, they were successful.
2. When the Twins spent money last year, they were not successful.
3. Therefore, the Twins need to be cheap to be successful.

Just a logical failure.



BULLETPROOF reasoning, Tom!



NONE of those things happened during the Target Field and spending era!
Too bad they decided to pay Joe Mauer $23 million a year then.

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Too bad they decided to pay Joe Mauer $23 million a year then.
Considering his contributions to the team since signing that deal?

Biggest waste of money in the whole damned state.

Another victim of "I got paid with a guaranteed contract" syndrome.

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05-04-2012, 02:57 PM
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I'd wait a year or two to think that. Last year he was injured pretty much all season. This year he's had a solid start. The guy has been very healthy to start the year too.

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I'd wait a year or two to think that. Last year he was injured pretty much all season. This year he's had a solid start. The guy has been very healthy to start the year too.
Oh I have no doubt he'll be good again. But Twenty Three MILLION a year good? He needs to be in the MVP conversation on a yearly basis to be worth that money.

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He'll be in those talks again.

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He is the only catcher in Major League history to win three batting titles. He has also won three consecutive Gold Glove awards (2008–2010), and the 2009 AL MVP award.[2]
And more...

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In 2009, he became the first catcher to lead the league in batting average, on base percentage, and slugging percentage in a single year, and the first player to lead the American League in all three since George Brett did so in 1980. Mauer's .365 average, which is the all-time highest mark among catchers in MLB history, and the highest by a Twin since Rod Carew's .388 in 1977, led Major League Baseball.[29][30] Mauer also won his second consecutive Gold Glove in 2009.[31] Mauer was named the American League's 2009 MVP by a near-unanimous decision (27 out of 28 first place votes).
All before even hitting the tender age of 27.

I get a kick out of people complaining about Mauer and his contract. Seriously, we should have let him go? The hometown hero/local boy who is the only catcher in history to win three batting titles and do all that he has done, and we should have let him go? smh.

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