Is that a sum of the games Shanahan owed the fans? SO the Webber hit, the Neal hit, the Sedin head shot on Brown and Malkin hits....all of the balance goes to Torres.
Terrible call, but he is not a star, so it makes sense.
Is that a sum of the games Shanahan owed the fans? SO the Webber hit, the Neal hit, the Sedin head shot on Brown and Malkin hits....all of the balance goes to Torres.
Terrible call, but he is not a star, so it makes sense.
No he is the worst repeat offender in the league right now, so it makes sense.
It met every criteria for a big suspension. Shanny finally does something right and people still piss on him.
For me it's consistency.
Weber bangs Zetterberg's head into the glass and gets a fine. Neal hits Couturier, which isn't as bad but still somewhat similar, and gets a game. Neal has been suspended before. Backstrom gets a game for a cross check.
The guy went from one end of the spectrum to another awfully quickly.
The director of player discipline needs to be consistent.
It met every criteria for a big suspension. Shanny finally does something right and people still piss on him.
what would weber have to do to get 25 games?
If what he did was $2,500....then he would have to kill multiple players, and maybe a fan, on the same shift to get what Raffi got.
On its own, the Torres hit did not warrant 25 games. That's ridiculous. However, Shanny dropped the ball earlier and is too scared of banning stars, so Torres got the brunt of it.
I know Torres is a repeat offender and that was a dirty hit, but this is ludicrous.
I know where your coming from, I am a huge Torres fan.
Part of this is raising the bar (which was low before on suspensions) to start somewhere
I think it was a great call. I like good clean hits, but off his feet, target to the head (Torres targets the head like no other) and being a repeat offender
This also comes from a huge Scott Stevens fan (who btw always went for shoulders) and hit guys who basically had there head down all the time. Its a bigger deal imo when a guys head is targeted when he is looking up and the other player still goes for it
Stevens type hits are last moment, finishing a check player lowers head down there hit.
Duncan Keith type hits are predatory there not follow through's on a good check, and there not even hockey plays because the player doesn't even have the puck; player's head is hit irregardless because its targeted, and that's not a hockey play and should be out of the game. This is what leads to Bertuzzi/Moore type hits where a guy is just going out of his way to hit a players head.
Weber bangs Zetterberg's head into the glass and gets a fine. Neal hits Couturier, which isn't as bad but still somewhat similar, and gets a game. Neal has been suspended before. Backstrom gets a game for a cross check.
The guy went from one end of the spectrum to another awfully quickly.
The director of player discipline needs to be consistent.
I agree completely. Torres has a lengthy history of predatory head hits. He deserves a lengthy suspension. The same standards must apply to all players so that everyone understands what the stakes are when these incidents happen.
Really tough. Because one would think this is the end of Torres NHL career. What team wants him next season if he's now ramped up to 25games suspension? Maybe Coyotes retain him, who knows.
I imagine this has to happen to somebody and its message sent. Torres never should have jumped off his skates on that hit. Just hit Hossa normal or not at all and this never happens. Torres doesn't need to hit like that anyway. Seems like a bloodlust gets the better of him in these situations.
Always been this bit of pitbull in Torres game. I don't think he can contain it. Kind of bred into the bone in this one. He smells a big hit and its like he's got a taste for it.
Its predatory for sure, but maybe not easy to stop.
I know where your coming from, I am a huge Torres fan.
Part of this is raising the bar (which was low before on suspensions) to start somewhere
I think it was a great call. I like good clean hits, but off his feet, target to the head (Torres targets the head like no other) and being a repeat offender
This also comes from a huge Scott Stevens fan (who btw always went for shoulders) and hit guys who basically had there head down all the time. Its a bigger deal imo when a guys head is targeted when he is looking up and the other player still goes for it
Stevens type hits are last moment, finishing a check player lowers head down there hit.
Duncan Keith type hits are predatory there not follow through's on a good check, and there not even hockey plays because the player doesn't even have the puck; player's head is hit irregardless because its targeted, and that's not a hockey play and should be out of the game. This is what leads to Bertuzzi/Moore type hits where a guy is just going out of his way to hit a players head.
I actually don't care for Torres, so I'm good with him being suspended.
My biggest issue is consistency. I wouldn't be surprised if the next time this happens, the offender will get a slap on the wrist and a fine.
Shanny just hasn't built any sort of precedent with regards to suspending players.
If for repeat offenders we put Torres hit in place, then yeah this suspension makes sense and I'm good with it. The problem is, it's not going to happen.
This whole season he went from first half suspend happy to second half letting things go. Then in the playoffs he went from slap on the wrist to lowering the hammer.
Keith got 5 games for a late hit on a Sedin, while Weber got a fine for a head slam into the glass.
It doesn't make sense. If your going to set a standard, set a standard for all players.
25 games for a Torres type repeat offender is more than fair, but as long as that standard is set for all players.
Weber bangs Zetterberg's head into the glass and gets a fine. Neal hits Couturier, which isn't as bad but still somewhat similar, and gets a game. Neal has been suspended before. Backstrom gets a game for a cross check.
The guy went from one end of the spectrum to another awfully quickly.
The director of player discipline needs to be consistent.
The one caveat is not intent, but outcome. So you are correct if Zetterberg is taken off on a stretcher Weber is getting maybe one game.
There is debate for both like when a player shoves a guy from behind and that players head hits the glass or boards and he gets a concussion; the intent was not necessarily meant to injure but looks really bad (that's why I advocate the Burke bear hug rule - where you can eliminate these things)
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The player's injury is a determining factor ALWAYS the first thing, then the player involved (repeat offender) or that type of player vs star player will always have precedent, and then intent (unfortunately the last thing)
In Torres case as much as people are looking at the intent its still the players injury that took the front seat as always. Then repeat offender/type of player came second Guaranteed its less games if Hossa is fine. Zetterberg played the next game, Red Wings reported he's fine. Case Closed
I actually don't care for Torres, so I'm good with him being suspended.
My biggest issue is consistency. I wouldn't be surprised if the next time this happens, the offender will get a slap on the wrist and a fine.
Shanny just hasn't built any sort of precedent with regards to suspending players.
If for repeat offenders we put Torres hit in place, then yeah this suspension makes sense and I'm good with it. The problem is, it's not going to happen.
This whole season he went from first half suspend happy to second half letting things go. Then in the playoffs he went from slap on the wrist to lowering the hammer.
Keith got 5 games for a late hit on a Sedin, while Weber got a fine for a head slam into the glass.
It doesn't make sense. If your going to set a standard, set a standard for all players.
25 games for a Torres type repeat offender is more than fair, but as long as that standard is set for all players.
With Shanny, I don't think that's the case.
Consistency won't change unless 2 things.
You have a committee from each team (so there isn't any bias) or at least a group of unbiased panel (perhaps current or ex refs) who can join Shanahan and look at it from this point of view and interpret it in the moment. I like the refs from that game to be the ones who make the final call (though that could lead to inconsistency if a ref hates a particular player)
The second option would be a cut and dry approach:
Type of hit - Player - Intent to Injure - Offense # - Past History with hit Player -
Head Shot Yes or No
(* and probably many other criteria - with this approach the suspension would be layed out) I added the last one past history with player since we DO see now a guy like Keith going after Daniel Sedin (not first time) ; and it occurs many of players on many of teams.
Really tough. Because one would think this is the end of Torres NHL career. What team wants him next season if he's now ramped up to 25games suspension? Maybe Coyotes retain him, who knows.
I imagine this has to happen to somebody and its message sent. Torres never should have jumped off his skates on that hit. Just hit Hossa normal or not at all and this never happens. Torres doesn't need to hit like that anyway. Seems like a bloodlust gets the better of him in these situations.
Always been this bit of pitbull in Torres game. I don't think he can contain it. Kind of bred into the bone in this one. He smells a big hit and its like he's got a taste for it.
Its predatory for sure, but maybe not easy to stop.
Torres is to much like a Brian Marchment he can be a very effective hockey player look at him with Canucks cup run one of the most effective on there team. Hes not like Eager who can be a head case (and that eliminates many contenders and/or playoff teams) Torres can hit, score and make other star players have there head up
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