HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > General Hockey Discussion > Trade Rumors and Free Agent Talk
Mobile Hockey's Future Become a Sponsor Site Rules Support Forum vBookie Page 2
Trade Rumors and Free Agent Talk Trade rumors, transactions, and free agent talk. Rumors must use the RUMOR prefix in thread title. Proposals must contain the PROPOSAL prefix in the thread title.

fast 2-way center to the islanders

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old
04-19-2012, 12:47 PM
  #26
Halifaxhab*
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Country: Canada
Posts: 9,219
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by startainfection View Post
ok this is my favorite proposal
so Pleks for 4th overall.

I think his value is around there, but there are some Habs fans that would want alot more, especially because they feel if he's gone, it means another lottery pick next year.

Halifaxhab* is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-19-2012, 12:50 PM
  #27
Nizdizzle
The Shanaplan.
 
Nizdizzle's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Hamilton, Ontario
Country: Canada
Posts: 7,656
vCash: 50
If NYI are looking for someone on the lower end (3rd liner), Lombardi perfectly fits the bill. Super fast, two-way center and the Leafs would ask for peanuts to move him. Probably a last resort for the Isles, because his major downfall is that he has a caphit of about $3mill or something, but he showed lots of promise as a speedy, two-way center before his concussion, and he looked good in stints with Toronto (played wing most of the season on our 3rd line).

Nizdizzle is online now   Reply With Quote
Old
04-19-2012, 12:53 PM
  #28
Petro Points
Registered User
 
Petro Points's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Posts: 14,343
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by startainfection View Post
to either be the islanders 2nd or 3rd line center

someone that can put up ~40-60 points and will probably be playing with grabner

who might be available that wont cost the isles tavares or hamonic?

some players that i thought of were helm, o'rielley, fisher, gagner, cagliano, johansson, skinner ect

would any of them be available and what would it cost the isles?
won the fastest skater at AllStar game
good 2-way center
scored 34 points the past season and was on a 47 point pace last year.
wont cost Tavares or Hamonic

Your man is Shawn Horcoff .

Petro Points is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-19-2012, 12:53 PM
  #29
habs_24x
Registered User
 
habs_24x's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: montreal
Country: Canada
Posts: 2,389
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Halifaxhab View Post
so Pleks for 4th overall.

I think his value is around there, but there are some Habs fans that would want alot more, especially because they feel if he's gone, it means another lottery pick next year.
Im all for it. Love Pleks but the 4th pick is more than fair value.

habs_24x is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-19-2012, 12:54 PM
  #30
Halifaxhab*
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Country: Canada
Posts: 9,219
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nathan311 View Post
If NYI are looking for someone on the lower end (3rd liner), Lombardi perfectly fits the bill. Super fast, two-way center and the Leafs would ask for peanuts to move him. Probably a last resort for the Isles, because his major downfall is that he has a caphit of about $3mill or something, but he showed lots of promise as a speedy, two-way center before his concussion, and he looked good in stints with Toronto (played wing most of the season on our 3rd line).
Now, if those peanuts were heated, Wang would be too cheap to pay for Lombardi's salary AND the power bill to put those peanuts in the microwave for even a minute

Halifaxhab* is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-19-2012, 12:55 PM
  #31
Qrispy
Registered User
 
Qrispy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 3,736
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Petro Points View Post
won the fastest skater at AllStar game
good 2-way center
scored 34 points the past season and was on a 47 point pace last year.
wont cost Tavares or Hamonic

You man is Shawn Horcoff .
Don't forget all the intangibles he brings!



Qrispy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-19-2012, 12:55 PM
  #32
Nizdizzle
The Shanaplan.
 
Nizdizzle's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Hamilton, Ontario
Country: Canada
Posts: 7,656
vCash: 50
Quote:
Originally Posted by Petro Points View Post
won the fastest skater at AllStar game
good 2-way center
scored 34 points the past season and was on a 47 point pace last year.
wont cost Tavares or Hamonic

You man is Shawn Horcoff .
$5.5mill a year for said player is probably a no-go for Isles management.

Nizdizzle is online now   Reply With Quote
Old
04-19-2012, 12:57 PM
  #33
Nizdizzle
The Shanaplan.
 
Nizdizzle's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Hamilton, Ontario
Country: Canada
Posts: 7,656
vCash: 50
Quote:
Originally Posted by Halifaxhab View Post
Now, if those peanuts were heated, Wang would be too cheap to pay for Lombardi's salary AND the power bill to put those peanuts in the microwave for even a minute
Yeah, I stated in my post that his contract would likely be a problem for the Isles to consider him.

Nizdizzle is online now   Reply With Quote
Old
04-19-2012, 12:57 PM
  #34
Petro Points
Registered User
 
Petro Points's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Posts: 14,343
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Boco View Post
Don't forget all the intangibles he brings!


Yes, Horcoff brings intangilbe intangibles.

Petro Points is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-19-2012, 01:05 PM
  #35
Petro Points
Registered User
 
Petro Points's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Posts: 14,343
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nathan311 View Post
$5.5mill a year for said player is probably a no-go for Isles management.
Intangibles!!!

besides Horcoff will help NYI get to the cap floor. They sit at 39M commited for next year and with most Dmen, forwards and goalies already signed.
Horc has a cap hit of 5.5M but makes actual amount of 4M and 3M respectively in the last 2 yrs of his contract.

Also he wont cost the Isles an arm and a leg. Keep you 1st round pick, keep your stars... Give us Matt Martin.

Petro Points is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-19-2012, 01:08 PM
  #36
Elvs
Registered User
 
Elvs's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Pitea
Country: Sweden
Posts: 7,179
vCash: 708
Derick Brassard.

Elvs is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-19-2012, 01:10 PM
  #37
kasper11
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: New York
Posts: 7,062
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by heartsabres View Post
Hense Buffalo adding a first round pick so it would be Derek Roy to move up 20 spots.
He is only 28 and is a 60-70 point center
He is only 28, but only signed for 1 year. 1 year of Roy does not getyou into the top-5.

kasper11 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-19-2012, 01:26 PM
  #38
seafoam
Halcyon Days
 
seafoam's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Connecticut
Posts: 40,734
vCash: 50
Quote:
Originally Posted by Halifaxhab View Post
so Pleks for 4th overall.

I think his value is around there, but there are some Habs fans that would want alot more, especially because they feel if he's gone, it means another lottery pick next year.
LOL no

seafoam is online now   Reply With Quote
Old
04-19-2012, 01:28 PM
  #39
kasper11
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: New York
Posts: 7,062
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Halifaxhab View Post
so Pleks for 4th overall.

I think his value is around there, but there are some Habs fans that would want alot more, especially because they feel if he's gone, it means another lottery pick next year.
Sorry, Plekanec is not worth the 4th overall. He is a good, not great player. Starting with the 2007-8 season (the year he broke out), Plekanec has averaged .72 ppg, exactly the same as Alex Tanguay and Vinny Prospal, and behind players like Simon Gagner, Erat, Tim Connolly, etc. He has reached 60 points exactly twice in his career.

I would like to have him on the Isles, but he isn't worth more than a mid-first and maybe a B-prospect. You just don't trade top prospects for "good" players.

kasper11 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-19-2012, 01:37 PM
  #40
YP44
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Calgary, AB
Country: Canada
Posts: 9,581
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Petro Points View Post
Intangibles!!!

besides Horcoff will help NYI get to the cap floor. They sit at 39M commited for next year and with most Dmen, forwards and goalies already signed.
Horc has a cap hit of 5.5M but makes actual amount of 4M and 3M respectively in the last 2 yrs of his contract.

Also he wont cost the Isles an arm and a leg. Keep you 1st round pick, keep your stars... Give us Matt Martin.
I agree that horcoff sucks and that his capr hit it outrageous, but for some reason him to the Islanders seems to make sense for the Islanders.

YP44 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-19-2012, 01:41 PM
  #41
spars
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: London
Country: Canada
Posts: 58
vCash: 500
What about Frans Nielsen?? He had 47 points last season. Find a winger to be with him and grabner (maybe even strome?).

spars is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-19-2012, 02:14 PM
  #42
StumpNYI
Registered User
 
StumpNYI's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Richmond, VA
Posts: 1,826
vCash: 500
What is your plan for Frans?

The guy averages 40pts a season (and improving), plays in all situations, and has maintained a +/- of 9 through all 5 lottery finished years which you cannot say about any other player on the team. Outside of the top line he gets the most ice time out of all the forwards and plays awesome on the PK. He is almost as fast as Grabner and is the best skater on the team. SO goal % is second to none. Has the offense to fill in on the 2nd line in case of injuries if needed. And on top of all that he is on a very cap friendly contract. If Frans can improve his faceoff's he would be a perfect 3rd line center and possibly the best in the league. He may not be a strong player but isn't afraid to battle along the boards or take a hit. The Islanders would be stupid to move him especially if he can improve his faceoffs. And putting him on the 4th line is even worse because you are wasting his talent.

Don't understand what you are looking for. If you mean a legit 2nd line center then you should of said "a legit 2nd line center" because that is indeed something the Islanders need. We need a player who is a 2nd line center but could fill in as a 1st line center on other teams (or the Isles if Tavares is injured) or a "1b" center as some say. Not a "2b" like Nielsen. But there have been a few threads about that already. That is the only gap in the Isles center depth IMO which hopefully Strome can fill some day.

StumpNYI is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-19-2012, 02:18 PM
  #43
startainfection*
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Long Island
Posts: 7,578
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by StumpNYI View Post
What is your plan for Frans?

The guy averages 40pts a season (and improving), plays in all situations, and has maintained a +/- of 9 through all 5 lottery finished years which you cannot say about any other player on the team. Outside of the top line he gets the most ice time out of all the forwards and plays awesome on the PK. He is almost as fast as Grabner and is the best skater on the team. SO goal % is second to none. Has the offense to fill in on the 2nd line in case of injuries if needed. And on top of all that he is on a very cap friendly contract. If Frans can improve his faceoff's he would be a perfect 3rd line center and possibly the best in the league. He may not be a strong player but isn't afraid to battle along the boards or take a hit. The Islanders would be stupid to move him especially if he can improve his faceoffs. And putting him on the 4th line is even worse because you are wasting his talent.

Don't understand what you are looking for. If you mean a legit 2nd line center then you should of said "a legit 2nd line center" because that is indeed something the Islanders need. We need a player who is a 2nd line center but could fill in as a 1st line center on other teams (or the Isles if Tavares is injured) or a "1b" center as some say. Not a "2b" like Nielsen. But there have been a few threads about that already. That is the only gap in the Isles center depth IMO which hopefully Strome can fill some day.
1. if the player is better than frans, frans gets moved down to the 3rd line center

2 if the player is just as good as frans we have a 2a and 2b

3. if he is worse than frans the isles aren't making the play offs and he is just a stop gap for nelson, cizikas or some other islanders center prospect

and in all situations it would allow bailey to stay on the wing with out rushing a prospect to the nhl to play center

startainfection* is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-19-2012, 02:26 PM
  #44
TOGuy14
Registered User
 
TOGuy14's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Toronto
Country: Canada
Posts: 5,749
vCash: 500
Lombardi makes some sense as his contract isn't awful, he is very fast, and he can play the wing too if required.

Toronto would let him go for a middling prospect / mid round pick and a moderate dump

TOGuy14 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-19-2012, 02:28 PM
  #45
zombiekopitor
Timo Time
 
zombiekopitor's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Best Coast
Posts: 3,796
vCash: 50
assuming he and the Sharks dont put it together, I think Marleau would be a good fit on the Isles, either a 1b center or wing for Tavares
Nino would be of interest, Sharks are good at devoloping power fowards; if Demers is also included there could be some interesting options

zombiekopitor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-19-2012, 02:29 PM
  #46
StumpNYI
Registered User
 
StumpNYI's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Richmond, VA
Posts: 1,826
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by startainfection View Post
1. if the player is better than frans, frans gets moved down to the 3rd line center

2 if the player is just as good as frans we have a 2a and 2b

3. if he is worse than frans the isles aren't making the play offs and he is just a stop gap for nelson, cizikas or some other islanders center prospect

and in all situations it would allow bailey to stay on the wing with out rushing a prospect to the nhl to play center
Oh :/

But we have the 3rd/4th line center depth in Bridgeport. Cizikas and Nelson are probably our 3b and 4th line center guys though I think Nelson and Ullstrom may end up on the wing. We have a ton of depth on the bottom 6 center position. It's just the thought of JT going down sends shivers down my spine **knocks on wood** so we need your number 1 scenario to happen.

StumpNYI is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-19-2012, 02:33 PM
  #47
IceDaddy
24 and Counting
 
IceDaddy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Canada
Country: Canada
Posts: 6,986
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Halifaxhab View Post
so Pleks for 4th overall.

I think his value is around there, but there are some Habs fans that would want alot more, especially because they feel if he's gone, it means another lottery pick next year.
I would be ok with this. 2 top 5 picks this year and a shot at Mackinnon or Jones nest year....sign me up.


Last edited by IceDaddy: 04-19-2012 at 02:38 PM.
IceDaddy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-19-2012, 02:34 PM
  #48
mydnyte
Registered User
 
mydnyte's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Country: Italy
Posts: 11,715
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by startainfection View Post
to either be the islanders 2nd or 3rd line center

someone that can put up ~40-60 points and will probably be playing with grabner

who might be available that wont cost the isles tavares or hamonic?

some players that i thought of were helm, o'rielley, fisher, gagner, cagliano, johansson, skinner ect

would any of them be available and what would it cost the isles?
tim connolly and he'd come cheap too

mydnyte is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-19-2012, 02:34 PM
  #49
blinkman360
Norris
 
blinkman360's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Lawn Guyland
Country: United States
Posts: 10,021
vCash: 500
If the 4th overall has to be traded, it would be foolish to trade it for anything other than a defenseman. Center is literally the last position of need. The Bailey-Nielsen-Okposo line was arguably our best line down the stretch and I'm sure Snow/Cap will give them a shot together to start next season.

On top of that we have both Strome and Nelson knocking on the door to the NHL. It's possible the Isles will move Strome to Tavares' wing, but that still leaves Nelson who has become a pretty safe bet to at least get a shot at some point on the Isles top-9. Cizikas is also a wild-card to maybe surprise people and earn a spot. So even if you don't list Strome as a center, we have Tavares; Nielsen; Cizikas and Nelson all at the NHL/AHL level.

blinkman360 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-19-2012, 02:41 PM
  #50
StumpNYI
Registered User
 
StumpNYI's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Richmond, VA
Posts: 1,826
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by blinkman360 View Post
If the 4th overall has to be traded, it would be foolish to trade it for anything other than a defenseman. Center is literally the last position of need. The Bailey-Nielsen-Okposo line was arguably our best line down the stretch and I'm sure Snow/Cap will give them a shot together to start next season.

On top of that we have both Strome and Nelson knocking on the door to the NHL. It's possible the Isles will move Strome to Tavares' wing, but that still leaves Nelson who has become a pretty safe bet to at least get a shot at some point on the Isles top-9. Cizikas is also a wild-card to maybe surprise people and earn a spot. So even if you don't list Strome as a center, we have Tavares; Nielsen; Cizikas and Nelson all at the NHL/AHL level.
I agree we have good center depth but outside of Strome I dont see 2nd line center upside of any of our prospects. Maybe Nelson or Ullstrom as 2b's. Bailey is going to be a career winger but might be able to fill that role at some point. I just think there is a pretty large gap between Tavares and our near ready prospects at center. That is why I want Galchenyuk in the draft if we are so lucky he is available in case Strome does not work out.

StumpNYI is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:58 PM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"
Contact Us - HFBoards - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Use - Advertise - Top - AdChoices

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2015, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. 2015 All Rights Reserved.