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04-20-2012, 02:00 AM
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People keep complaining about how Crawford let in 2 soft goals in OT. But they are aren't paying attention to the goals scored before OT started. In game 3 both of the goals were scored 4 v 4 when the players in front of Crawford decided to let a Yote stand uncovered in front of the net. If someone had actually covered them, radical concept I know, maybe one or both of those goals don't happen and the Hawks win in regulation. Or maybe if Oduya had managed the puck better Doan doesn't steal it and cause a 2 on 1 tonight. Or if Seabrook had put a body on Pyatt instead of standing off to the side, Pyatt doesn't get a tap in.

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04-20-2012, 02:03 AM
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Crawford is not only a bad goalie, but the team has no confidence in him whatsoever and plays nervous as a result.

He needs to be replaced. We will never, ever go anywhere with him as the starter.

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04-20-2012, 02:04 AM
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Crawford has no faith in the team in front of him. He tries to make 3 saves at a time.

works both ways.

If we lose this series and it gets put on crawford, the only thing that does is save the coaches' jobs.

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04-20-2012, 02:04 AM
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People keep complaining about how Crawford let in 2 soft goals in OT. But they are aren't paying attention to the goals scored before OT started. In game 3 both of the goals were scored 4 v 4 when the players in front of Crawford decided to let a Yote stand uncovered in front of the net. If someone had actually covered them, radical concept I know, maybe one or both of those goals don't happen and the Hawks win in regulation. Or maybe if Oduya had managed the puck better Doan doesn't steal it and cause a 2 on 1 tonight. Or if Seabrook had put a body on Pyatt instead of standing off to the side, Pyatt doesn't get a tap in.
Wait.. so, what you're saying is.. If Chicago plays better infront of Crawford, they might have actually won the game.. maybe even two?

Radical thinking there. Keep that kind of opinion to yourself. From what I've seen, they don't like yer types around hurr.

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04-20-2012, 02:06 AM
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Crawford has no faith in the team in front of him. He tries to make 3 saves at a time.

works both ways.
Boom, bam, spladoosh.

I can only imagine what Crawford was thinking after the Pyatt goal. "Okay, they turned the puck over and Doan scored on a rebound.. gotta put that one behin.. For **** sake.. can no one cover a man right infront of the ****ing net?! **** me.."

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04-20-2012, 02:08 AM
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Wait.. so, what you're saying is.. If Chicago plays better infront of Crawford, they might have actually won the game.. maybe even two?
Yeah, if the rest of the team played through his crap play, they would have won the game.

Meanwhile, other teams have goalies who can actually be one of the factors in winning them. Sometimes even being the main reason.

Radical thinking indeed, expecting someone to contribute to the win instead of making excuses for them being major reasons for the loss.

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04-20-2012, 02:17 AM
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Yeah, if the rest of the team played through his crap play, they would have won the game.

Meanwhile, other teams have goalies who can actually be one of the factors in winning them. Sometimes even being the main reason.

Radical thinking indeed, expecting someone to contribute to the win instead of making excuses for them being major reasons for the loss.
You're so wrong and you're completely unaware of it. Honestly, it's just fun being part of the discussion at this point.

Crawford has been the main reason the Hawks have been able to get these games to OT. He's been the only player on the team showing up every night, battling and playing at least close to his potential.. and yet, he's the one getting most **** on.

The OT goals were ****, I'll keep saying it because it's a fact, but the play infront of him has been bad.. as it was for most of the season.

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04-20-2012, 02:23 AM
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If u guys seriously think that a defense is not gonna give up good chances then u are just fooling yourself. No NHL defense is ever gonna be that perfect, but thats why goalies are there. Good goalies need to be able to reliable make the saves that they can and should make, and save a couple that they shouldn't. Crawford can't do that, ya he'll makes a big save here and there, but then he lets in these very savable goals. He's consistently inconsistent. 19 shots, the D allowed for only 19 shots, and he lets in their only shot in OT, and even though ya it was a breakaway. Its was a weak break away that Leddy actually got back to take away any actual quality chance from, but Crawford still just let it in. Thats not showing up, thats ******** the bed. Once again. Thats not bad D, thats bad goaltending


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04-20-2012, 02:33 AM
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If u guys seriously think that a defense is not gonna give up good chances then u are just fooling yourself. No NHL defense is ever gonna be that perfect, but thats why goalies are there. Good goalies need to be able reliable make the saves that they can and should make, and save a couple that they shouldn't. Crawford can't do that, ya he'll makes a big save here and there, but then he lets in these very savable goals. He's consistently inconsistent. 19 shots, the D allowed for only 19 shots, and he lets in their only shot in OT, and even though ya it was a breakaway. Its was a weak break away, Leddy actually got back to take away any actual quality shot from it, but Crawford still just let it in.
The truth is, he could do nothing more than he did on the Doan goal. The Pyatt goal, which is a saveable shot, was still a grade-A chance that should have been easily defended had someone, anyone, taken him coming down boardstreet and yes, the OT goal was trash.. so were the series of events that lead to that chance happening. Tonight, and this series, have been a total team failure. The team, particularily the "scoring" forwards haven't been good, Oduya/Leddy have stuggled really bad and the Hawks have been plagued by questionable coaching all year.. oh yeah, and Crawford didn't make the saves in OT, which almost seems irrelevant after all that.

The shots argument is a flawed one. Chicago may have yeilded less shots, but Phoenix had just as many quality chances, if not more and they were far better defensively.

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04-20-2012, 02:41 AM
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You're so wrong and you're completely unaware of it. Honestly, it's just fun being part of the discussion at this point.

Crawford has been the main reason the Hawks have been able to get these games to OT. He's been the only player on the team showing up every night, battling and playing at least close to his potential.. and yet, he's the one getting most **** on.

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04-20-2012, 02:43 AM
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Man, and to think I was actually starting to come around on crazy ike after his posts in the hossa injury thread on the main board.

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04-20-2012, 02:46 AM
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You can love me and disagree with me at the same time. I certainly have no problems with my position on this issue. Those goals were indefensible and wash away anything he does in regulation.

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As long as the D continues to make poor decisions this team won't be going anywhere no matter who is in net. You expect it from Leddy, he is still very young, but Oduya and O'Donnell should know better than to be doing the **** they've been doing.

The last two overtime goals were awful, no question Crawford cost us dearly on both occasions. However, you also have to acknowledge that Crawford was probably the biggest reason we won game 2, and that without him the series might be over right now. His play in regulation has been excellent and given the blackhawks more than enough chances to win each game.

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04-20-2012, 02:47 AM
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04-20-2012, 06:44 AM
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How can people still defend Crawford and find excuses for him?
He hasn't won us a game, he lost 2. Really, there are no excuses for the goals and for Crawford. If he stays, Bowman has to go for sure.
having Crawford as starter again would mean we have another wasted season



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Crawford is the next mike smith. He'll get let go of by a team that doesn't know how to play defense, get picked up by a team that does and post a .930+ sv%.
Smith still isn't a great goalie, Crawford will never be a great goalie.
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********.

Elliot sucked on Ottawa/Colorado the past 3 years and Halak was mediocre on the blues last year

Crawford may not be as good as the elite guys like Lundquist, but the difference between he and a guy like Elliot is negligible. The real difference is the team in front of them.
Halak wasn't mediocre
Elliot hasn't sucked in Colorado


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Crawford is not only a bad goalie, but the team has no confidence in him whatsoever and plays nervous as a result.

He needs to be replaced. We will never, ever go anywhere with him as the starter.
this 100000x

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04-20-2012, 08:04 AM
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How can people still defend Crawford and find excuses for him?
He hasn't won us a game, he lost 2. Really, there are no excuses for the goals and for Crawford. If he stays, Bowman has to go for sure.
having Crawford as starter again would mean we have another wasted season




Smith still isn't a great goalie, Crawford will never be a great goalie.

Halak wasn't mediocre
Elliot hasn't sucked in Colorado





this 100000x
Yes, he was and yes he did. The highest sv% of elliots career before this year was .909(under .9 last season). and all of a sudden it jumps to .940+ when he goes to st louis. Halak's sv% last year was like .910.

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This team was built to be a high-powered offensive machine...that's why not a whole lot of emphasis was put on signing an elite goalie, thus you have Crawford as the starter. When the goals stop coming, however, like they have in this series, the goaltending weakness is exposed. Bottom line is our star players on offense aren't getting it done and our goaltending isn't good enough to overcome the lack of offense. And losing Hossa sure doesn't help matters, either.

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04-20-2012, 10:43 AM
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and thats the reason why you need good goaltending. Should have paid Vokoun in the summer

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All of these losses have been team failures, not Crawford failures. Yes, he has been responsible for both of the GAME WINNING goals, but he shouldn't have had to go to that point. Our offense is more than capable of playing way beyond what it is playing now. Way too many turnovers and players are making too many mistakes. If they would all tighten their games up, Crawford played well enough in regulation to warrant us a win at least 3 out of the 4 games.

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04-20-2012, 11:00 AM
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Crawford has been decent and decent wasn't going to be good enough with this flawed team so we are down 3-1. He's not the reason we are down but he had to be the reason we won at least a couple of the games or we were not going to win this series.

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04-20-2012, 11:06 AM
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maybe we score later in those games, maybe the Yotes score. In the end, Crawford is to blame for those goals against that lost us the series

he was bad this season and had a nice 10 game stretch... great

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I agree that Harding or Vokoun should start Game 5, oh wait....

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Why is it that when Crawford defenders talk about Crawford, they never mention his mediocre season??? They always pick out isolated games where he allegedly "played well". What about the big picture of overall mediocrity?

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the problem is Crawford, not Emery

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Why is it that when Crawford defenders talk about Crawford, they never mention his mediocre season??? They always pick out isolated games where he allegedly "played well". What about the big picture of overall mediocrity?
I've been one of his biggest supporters and I'll say once again, he played like garbage most of the year and needed another goalie on the roster who could take the reigns when he wasn't doing well. We have no plan B and with someone like Crawford, you need that. And now we have all learned that, some it was harder for than others. Trade Emery.

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