HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > General Hockey Discussion > Trade Rumors and Free Agent Talk
Mobile Hockey's Future Become a Sponsor Site Rules Support Forum vBookie Page 2
Trade Rumors and Free Agent Talk Trade rumors, transactions, and free agent talk. Rumors must use the RUMOR prefix in thread title. Proposals must contain the PROPOSAL prefix in the thread title.

Dallas-Pittsburgh

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old
04-23-2012, 07:14 PM
  #76
glovesave_35
Name
 
glovesave_35's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: South Korea
Country: United States
Posts: 16,817
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by IceDogsandLeafs View Post
However, I do see quite a bit of the Penguins and he was as impressive as most Pens fans made him out to be.
I guess that really speaks to how good a player can look with a ton of talent on the ice with him.

glovesave_35 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-23-2012, 07:18 PM
  #77
wej20
Registered User
 
wej20's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Swansea,UK
Country: Wales
Posts: 24,187
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by glovesave_35 View Post
I guess that really speaks to how good a player can look with a ton of talent on the ice with him.
I think he can get there with Dallas, he just needs to grow into his role.

wej20 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-23-2012, 09:37 PM
  #78
AgentM
Registered User
 
AgentM's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Allison Park, PA
Country: United States
Posts: 7,069
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Misty View Post
How about a slightly used Brendan Morrow?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Morozov View Post
Seeing as how Morrow only has the one season left on his deal that could be pretty interesting for the Pens? basically as a one year experiment for a wing solution and worst case scenario he's off the books after one season when we need that money for Staal et al and we rid ourselves of Martin's contract.

Ideally we could find some sort of cheapish reclamation project winger to ship Martin out for, but this wouldn't be a bad option I don't think, unless there's a winger in free agency that was worth making a play at, but I'd be keen to sort out the contract situations for Staal, Sid etc before making any long term commitment to a new winger anyway and this could give the Pens a season to do that.
I agree, this idea piqued my interest too. $4.1m is a lot of money to pay a winger that only had 11 goals last year, but Morrow had 33 the year before and still had a shooting percentage of 12.5% which is really good.

Did he look like he had lost it last year? Or was it more a factor of injuries?

AgentM is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-23-2012, 09:57 PM
  #79
Ogi1Kenobi
Registered User
 
Ogi1Kenobi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Country: Canada
Posts: 3,325
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by AgentM View Post
I agree, this idea piqued my interest too. $4.1m is a lot of money to pay a winger that only had 11 goals last year, but Morrow had 33 the year before and still had a shooting percentage of 12.5% which is really good.

Did he look like he had lost it last year? Or was it more a factor of injuries?
His injuries really messed up his season, and it showed both on his on-ice play and his lack of leadership.

Ogi1Kenobi is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-23-2012, 10:05 PM
  #80
AgentM
Registered User
 
AgentM's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Allison Park, PA
Country: United States
Posts: 7,069
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ogi1Kenobi View Post
His injuries really messed up his season, and it showed both on his on-ice play and his lack of leadership.
I knew he was injured last year, but can't remember what the injury was, can you refreshy memory please? Is it something he'll have a hard time fully recovering at this point in his career?

AgentM is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-23-2012, 10:12 PM
  #81
Riptide
Moderator
 
Riptide's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Yukon
Country: Canada
Posts: 14,555
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by IceDogsandLeafs View Post
His offensive abilities were over hyped and he was not good in his own end when he was with the Pens. Have I seen enough Stars games to rate him since? No. However, I do see quite a bit of the Penguins and he was as impressive as most Pens fans made him out to be.

Quote:
Originally Posted by glovesave_35 View Post
I guess that really speaks to how good a player can look with a ton of talent on the ice with him.
While that's certainly part of it, I think the other part is how he was playing protected minutes on the 3rd pairing.

Riptide is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-23-2012, 10:33 PM
  #82
Ragamuffin Gunner
Lost in The Flood
 
Ragamuffin Gunner's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Boston
Country: United States
Posts: 18,237
vCash: 500
martin will be traded for a winger or picks/prospects

Ragamuffin Gunner is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-23-2012, 10:42 PM
  #83
Mr Misty
The Irons Are Back!
 
Mr Misty's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 4,552
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by AgentM View Post
I knew he was injured last year, but can't remember what the injury was, can you refreshy memory please? Is it something he'll have a hard time fully recovering at this point in his career?
Everything was injured: Elbow, neck, back, etc.

Mr Misty is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-23-2012, 10:45 PM
  #84
IceDogsandLeafs
Registered User
 
IceDogsandLeafs's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Niagara Falls, ON
Country: Canada
Posts: 676
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ragamuffin Gunner View Post
martin will be traded for a winger or picks/prospects
A mid level draft pick and prospect would make the most sense if it was coming from a team with lots of cap space. The Penguins don't need to dump Martin's salary simply to pick up say an overpaid winger.

IceDogsandLeafs is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-23-2012, 11:12 PM
  #85
Captain Hook
Olli Määttä
 
Captain Hook's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Country: United States
Posts: 14,622
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Riptide View Post
While that's certainly part of it, I think the other part is how he was playing protected minutes on the 3rd pairing.
Pretty much.

Goligoski wasn't really counted on here. He was our #5 D-Man and whatever we got out of him was just a bonus.

I've always been a fan of his though. The guy has stretches where he looks like such a beast offensively. He had one of those for us a few years ago at the start of the season and another last year right after he got traded. He just needs to be more consistent. Not sure he ever will be though. Hopefully for Dallas he does get to that point.

Captain Hook is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-23-2012, 11:21 PM
  #86
hctopcheds11
Registered User
 
hctopcheds11's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Country: United States
Posts: 1,757
vCash: 500
I would do a Martin for Morrow swap.

hctopcheds11 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-23-2012, 11:30 PM
  #87
Captain Hook
Olli Määttä
 
Captain Hook's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Country: United States
Posts: 14,622
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by andyg26 View Post
I would do a Martin for Morrow swap.
So would I.

Some risk to it. Martin is overpaid and needs a change of scenery/different system. I'd be surprised if he didn't have a few more good seasons before he's done though. Morrow I'm not so sure. Seems like his body breaking down and he may not hold up physically.

Captain Hook is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-23-2012, 11:36 PM
  #88
hctopcheds11
Registered User
 
hctopcheds11's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Country: United States
Posts: 1,757
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain Hook View Post
So would I.

Some risk to it. Martin is overpaid and needs a change of scenery/different system. I'd be surprised if he didn't have a few more good seasons before he's done though. Morrow I'm not so sure. Seems like his body breaking down and he may not hold up physically.
But it helps in so many ways for the Pens. For one, it's one year of 4.1 million. Even if he is awful, you are saving 900k in cap room and at worst, you are getting a solid third liner to play with Staal. At best, the guy can be a force. If he goes back to the Morrow from two years ago, him and Crosby would be dominant together.

In theory, even if the Pens hate his game and don't want to re-sign him, that cap hit is off the books after one year just in time for Sid/Staal/Letang.

Martin has a shot to redeem himself in Dallas and become the defender he was in NJ and his first year in Pittsburgh.

hctopcheds11 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-23-2012, 11:36 PM
  #89
glovesave_35
Name
 
glovesave_35's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: South Korea
Country: United States
Posts: 16,817
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by andyg26 View Post
I would do a Martin for Morrow swap.
I wouldn't. I also don't want Morrow back next year either...

glovesave_35 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-24-2012, 12:43 AM
  #90
Mr Misty
The Irons Are Back!
 
Mr Misty's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 4,552
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by glovesave_35 View Post
I wouldn't. I also don't want Morrow back next year either...
Not to further derail this, but what do you think Morrow could fetch?

I dont want a pick because it wouldn't be somebody that can help us win now, unless we somehow traded up, and I dont think we could get an NHL ready young winger either.

IMO, it is down to a player who underperformed based on their contract like Martin, and I think Martin is near to top of these kind of players in terms of helping the Stars.

Mr Misty is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-24-2012, 03:08 PM
  #91
LatvianTwist
Global Moderator
 
LatvianTwist's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Texas A&M
Country: Latvia
Posts: 23,896
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by glovesave_35 View Post
I wouldn't. I also don't want Morrow back next year either...
I agree. I think we could get a lot more for Morrow.

Would one of our 3rds + McKenzie be enough? Some said a mid pick and a prospect would be enough, but I'd only do it if we were able to trade Robidas in a separate deal.

LatvianTwist is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-24-2012, 07:31 PM
  #92
burgess1978
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Gold Coast
Country: Australia
Posts: 2,304
vCash: 500
Martin may get traded, but it's not like he's a bad player. Compare his situation (the situation - not the player) to Kuba's. One bad year after a solid, consistent career and the fans were ready to give him away for nothing - same with Martin. If the Penguins need cap space that's one thing, but Martin has every chance of being very good next year.

burgess1978 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-24-2012, 07:37 PM
  #93
Captain Hook
Olli Määttä
 
Captain Hook's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Country: United States
Posts: 14,622
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by burgess1978 View Post
Martin may get traded, but it's not like he's a bad player. Compare his situation (the situation - not the player) to Kuba's. One bad year after a solid, consistent career and the fans were ready to give him away for nothing - same with Martin. If the Penguins need cap space that's one thing, but Martin has every chance of being very good next year.
Pretty much.

Like I posted earlier, I'd be very surprised if he didn't have a few more good seasons before he's done.

Captain Hook is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-24-2012, 09:38 PM
  #94
glovesave_35
Name
 
glovesave_35's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: South Korea
Country: United States
Posts: 16,817
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Misty View Post
Not to further derail this, but what do you think Morrow could fetch?
That really depends on which teams would be interested. I don't have a blanket hope for what he could generally return but I think there are a handful of teams who would be interested enough for Nieuwendyk to let him go, assuming that JN is looking to change the culture of the leadership on the team. I think whether or not he's traded depends almost entirely on if Nieuwendyk categorically wants him off the team rather than a team making a tempting enough offer.

I don't think taking on a player who makes more money than Morrow and is locked up for three more years is the best way to go. I'm just opposed to the idea of acquiring Martin in general though.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Misty View Post
IMO, it is down to a player who underperformed based on their contract like Martin, and I think Martin is near to top of these kind of players in terms of helping the Stars.
That's a pretty big assumption. We don't know how Morrow is viewed around the league.

glovesave_35 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-24-2012, 10:31 PM
  #95
Mr Misty
The Irons Are Back!
 
Mr Misty's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 4,552
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by glovesave_35 View Post
That's a pretty big assumption. We don't know how Morrow is viewed around the league.
Call me a pessimist, but I wouldn't be surprised if nobody wants to offer much because of his health issues.

Mr Misty is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
04-24-2012, 11:28 PM
  #96
LatvianTwist
Global Moderator
 
LatvianTwist's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Texas A&M
Country: Latvia
Posts: 23,896
vCash: 500
Some team somewhere will pay for that risk.

LatvianTwist is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 07:13 AM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"
Contact Us - HFBoards - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Use - Advertise - Top - AdChoices

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2015, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. ©2015 All Rights Reserved.