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04-21-2012, 12:34 AM
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Top 10 based purely on offensive potential

I thought I'd make a thread for fantasy pool players like myself about ranking the players in the upcoming draft based purely on offensive potential.

Which players will score the most career points/highest offensive upside?

1. Yakupov (1st liner)
2. Grigorenko (1st liner)
3. Galchenyuk (1st liner)
4. Forsberg (1st liner)

5. Faksa (1st liner)
6. Teravainen (1st/2nd liner)
7. Gaunce (2nd liner)
8. Girgensons (2nd liner)
9. Collberg (2nd liner)
10. Frk (2nd liner)


How accurate does this sound? I don't know much about any of the prospects from 5-10 at all. Thanks for the insight.

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04-21-2012, 12:41 AM
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I'd put Teravainen ahead of Faksa (I don't think Faksa has the offensive upside to be a 1st liner, probably more of a good two way 2nd liner) and move Gaunce down to #9 or #10.

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04-21-2012, 12:51 AM
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Depends what you mean by offensive potential. Could be a pretty different story if you're asking:
"pure offensive upside if everything goes right, and if he's in a situation where he'll get big minutes even with an incomplete game"
vs.
"how well we think said player will actually produce, a likely case instead of a best case, including the kind of minutes he's likely to get"

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I think Galchenyuk has a higher upside than Grigs, but I'm probably in the minority.

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04-21-2012, 01:12 AM
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Depends what you mean by offensive potential. Could be a pretty different story if you're asking:
"pure offensive upside if everything goes right, and if he's in a situation where he'll get big minutes even with an incomplete game"
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"how well we think said player will actually produce, a likely case instead of a best case, including the kind of minutes he's likely to get"
I was going for the bolded one.

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I think Galchenyuk has a higher upside than Grigs, but I'm probably in the minority.
Grigs is better now and will be for 2-3 years, but Galchenyuk should have the better career.

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04-21-2012, 03:34 AM
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I think Galchenyuk has a higher upside than Grigs, but I'm probably in the minority.
I am not sure about this but i agree, I think Galy will overall have a better career.

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Here s my top 10

1st. Yakupov (1st line)
2nd. Galchenyuk (1st line)
3rd. Grigorenko (1st line/2nd line)
4th. Forsberg (1st line/ 2nd line)
5th. Collberg (2nd line)
6th. Teravainen (2nd line)
7th. Faska (2nd line)
8th. Thomas hertl (2nd line)
9th. Girgensons (2nd line / 3rd line)
10th. Gaunce (2nd line / 3rd line)


I know that Collberg is high but the got the tools to be a star at the next step. It all going to depand who select him during the draft. The kid us a project but could end up one of the best player of the draft.

By the way my fav player is Grigensons even if it doesn t show. The kid could end up the next Kopitar but I might be dreaming.

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04-21-2012, 10:09 AM
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The top 4 forwards are pretty much guaranteed first liners. Just too good. Much better than last years draft in terms of upside.

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04-21-2012, 10:57 AM
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The top 4 forwards are pretty much guaranteed first liners. Just too good. Much better than last years draft in terms of upside.
Really? Where does a guy like Forsberg rank offensively compared to a prospect like Huberdeau?

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04-21-2012, 11:03 AM
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The top 4 forwards are pretty much guaranteed first liners. Just too good. Much better than last years draft in terms of upside.
Really?

Give me Nugent-Hopkins, Couturier, Landeskog and Huberdeau before Yakupov, Grigorenko, Galchenyuk and Forsberg.

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04-21-2012, 11:14 AM
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Just forwards?

1. Nail Yakupov
2. Mikhail Grigorenko
3. Alex Galchenyuk

4. Filip Forsberg
5. Teuvo Teravainen
6. Matia Marcantuoni

7. Nikolai Prokhorkin
8. Radek Faksa
9. Sebastian Collberg

10a. Tomas Hertl
10b. Zemgus Girgensons

If its based just on potential guys like Marcantuoni have to be high even if he likely won't go top 50.

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it doesnt seem like Gaunce should be anywhere near this list.

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I was going for the bolded one.
In that case I'll just put them into tiers:

Yakupov
Grigorenko, Galchenyuk, Forsberg
Faksa, Collberg, Frk
Gaunce, Grigensons, Wilson

Honestly, I'm having to go mostly off scouting reports for the Euros, and off limited viewings for a few others.

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it doesnt seem like Gaunce should be anywhere near this list.
It's based on:
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"how well we think said player will actually produce, a likely case instead of a best case, including the kind of minutes he's likely to get"
While there are certainly guys with more flashy offensive skills than Gaunce later in the draft, you have to wonder if they'll be full time NHLers. Gaunce may be more of a 3rd line, Brandon Sutter type, but if his all around game gets him consistent minutes, then even putting up around 30-40 points a year means he'll badly outscore the borderline AHL/NHL players at the NHL level. That's why I asked the above question. For example, back in 2008 people would easily have put Filatov way above someone like Colin Wilson based on pure offensive talent, but if we're talking about likely career points, then having that all around game that will let you have a long NHL career can become very significant.

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Just forwards?

1. Nail Yakupov
2. Mikhail Grigorenko
3. Alex Galchenyuk

4. Filip Forsberg
5. Teuvo Teravainen
6. Matia Marcantuoni

7. Nikolai Prokhorkin
8. Radek Faksa
9. Sebastian Collberg

10a. Tomas Hertl
10b. Zemgus Girgensons

If its based just on potential guys like Marcantuoni have to be high even if he likely won't go top 50.
i agree 100% a lot of people are missing quality players just because there names havent shown up in the top 30 rankings.

this thread is for "potential" and marcantuoni, anthanasiou or even someone like charles hudon could definitely get up there high on my list

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I think Rielly and Aberg should be 9 & 10.

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1. Yakupov
2. Grigorenko
3. Galchenyuk
4. Forsberg
5. Teravainen
6. Faksa
7. Collberg
8. Girgensons
9. Aberg
10. Gaunce

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Really?

Give me Nugent-Hopkins, Couturier, Landeskog and Huberdeau before Yakupov, Grigorenko, Galchenyuk and Forsberg.
Yakupov is better offensively than nugent Hopkins (scout consensus), Grigorenko trumps couturier in terms of offensive potential but also gets a slight edge over huberdeau's offense. Galchenyuk trumps couturier in terms of offense and is about as even with huberdeau. Forsberg is also a lot more talented offensively than landeskog is.

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Yakupov is better offensively than nugent Hopkins (scout consensus), Grigorenko trumps couturier in terms of offensive potential but also gets a slight edge over huberdeau's offense. Galchenyuk trumps couturier in terms of offense and is about as even with huberdeau. Forsberg is also a lot more talented offensively than landeskog is.
Wow, you're underrating Couturier.

Personally, call me carzy, but give me these players in that order:

Nugent-Hopkins
Couturier
Landeskog
Yakupov
Grigorenko/Galchenyuk/Forsberg/Huberdeau

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Wow, you're underrating Couturier.

Personally, call me carzy, but give me these players in that order:

Nugent-Hopkins
Couturier
Landeskog
Yakupov
Grigorenko/Galchenyuk/Forsberg/Huberdeau
That's horrible. I saw a lot of landeskog I'm Kitchener and atleast 10 of his games on the Avs this season. I even ordered his jersey. But he is not even close in terms of offense compared to all those players. And couturier infront of yakupov and all the others is wtf worthy too. You could make a case that nugent Hopkins is the best of that crop but besides that.... My god...

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Frk could be really good by he's a project..

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T1. Yakupov (1st liner/PP1)
T1. Teravainen (1st liner/PP1/PK1)
3. Forsberg (1st liner/PP2/PK1 or 2)
4. Galchenyuk (1st liner/PP2)
5. Grigorenko (1st line/PP2)

You guys should've honestly seen how Jokerit powerplay did work when Eaves and Teravainen was paired together.

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T1. Yakupov (1st liner/PP1)
T1. Teravainen (1st liner/PP1/PK1)
3. Forsberg (1st liner/PP2/PK1 or 2)
4. Galchenyuk (1st liner/PP2)
5. Grigorenko (1st line/PP2)

You guys should've honestly seen how Jokerit powerplay did work when Eaves and Teravainen was paired together.
Grigorenko is much more talented offensively than teravainen...

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That's horrible. I saw a lot of landeskog I'm Kitchener and atleast 10 of his games on the Avs this season. I even ordered his jersey. But he is not even close in terms of offense compared to all those players. And couturier infront of yakupov and all the others is wtf worthy too. You could make a case that nugent Hopkins is the best of that crop but besides that.... My god...
Give me a big 75 points first line center who will be the best shutdown center and PK'er in the league (Couturier), or a big pure power forward that are very hard to find (Landeskog) before Yakupov.


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