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05-28-2012, 02:50 AM
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I'll give them credit for picking promising players, but that's not something we can rely on forever. We've gotten two top-6 forwards out of the 6th or 7th round. But we can't count on that to last. Who's the next Pavelski? It sure ain't Marek Viedensky. And the next Clowe? It's looking less and less like Mashinter's the guy.

The most interesting tidbit is that every player that has been a consistent top-6 forward on the Sharks over the past few years has been a first rounder (Marleau, Thornton, Setoguchi, Michalek, Couture, Havlat, Heatley) or Clowe/Pavelski in the 6th/7th rounds.
On the other side, when a lot of those players came in, the Sharks were not as competitive as they are now. Easier to develop and get minutes that way.

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With the way you phrase this, I am not sure that you mean lacking all 3 or just one of those traits.

I agree that there isn't a lot of speed outside of the first round unless the player is seriously lacking in size.
A combination, and it is all relative. I don't think they expect a player to have all three, but depending on where they pick they have their preferences.

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On the other side, when a lot of those players came in, the Sharks were not as competitive as they are now. Easier to develop and get minutes that way.
The Sharks were still a playoff team. Pavelski had Thornton and Marleau ahead of him his rookie season and still put up some very respectable points. Obviously the team was younger then and much more likely to give young players a real shot, but if you're good (like Pavelski tearing up the AHL), then you're going to get your chance.

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Was anyone aware there's an Erik Karlsson in the draft this year. Just thought it was interesting.

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The mods are doing a mock draft and we ended up taking Gaunce in the first round
Terrible!

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Terrible!
Thanks for the detailed dissent.

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Thanks for the detailed dissent.
Sorry, here is my explanation.

I expect more talent/potential than what Gaunce would bring from a 17th overall pick. Most things I have read say that Gaunce has 2nd line upside. That isn't very enticing in the first round. I want a player with top 3 d-man or a first line forward potential. Doesn't matter though because you don't really have the option to trade up in mock draft and I severely doubt the Sharks stay at the 17th pick. I think there would be more worthy options available at the 17th pick then Gaunce.

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Sorry, here is my explanation.

I expect more talent/potential than what Gaunce would bring from a 17th overall pick. Most things I have read say that Gaunce has 2nd line upside. That isn't very enticing in the first round. I want a player with top 3 d-man or a first line forward potential. Doesn't matter though because you don't really have the option to trade up in mock draft and I severely doubt the Sharks stay at the 17th pick. I think there would be more worthy options available at the 17th pick then Gaunce.
He's supposed to be a safe pick with 2nd line potential. That's very enticing for 17th overall. Start looking through 2000 and beyond, and find how many guys actually had a proper NHL career as second liners who were drafted from 17-30. You won't find too many.

Top-10 picks feature players with first line potential. From 11-30 there is generally a drop off and you run into the dilemma of, 'do I take a safe pick, or do I go for a hit or miss guy'. Every draft won't replicate 2003, where you saw Parise, Getzlaf, Burns, Kesler, Richards, and Perry go from 17-30.

While I personally would prefer someone like Sebastian Collberg, Brendan Gaunce by no means is a "terrible" pick for 17th. I think when folks read the part, "non-dynamic", they throw Gaunce to the side, assuming that won't ever put up respectable offensive numbers in the NHL.

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05-30-2012, 05:15 PM
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He's supposed to be a safe pick with 2nd line potential. That's very enticing for 17th overall. Start looking through 2000 and beyond, and find how many guys actually had a proper NHL career as second liners who were drafted from 17-30. You won't find too many.

Top-10 picks feature players with first line potential. From 11-30 there is generally a drop off and you run into the dilemma of, 'do I take a safe pick, or do I go for a hit or miss guy'. Every draft won't replicate 2003, where you saw Parise, Getzlaf, Burns, Kesler, Richards, and Perry go from 17-30.

While I personally would prefer someone like Sebastian Collberg, Brendan Gaunce by no means is a "terrible" pick for 17th. I think when folks read the part, "non-dynamic", they throw Gaunce to the side, assuming that won't ever put up respectable offensive numbers in the NHL.
To emphasize your point:

2000 had 11 players that never even had NHL careers. 2003 had 2. 2004 had 9.

Ever heard of:

2004 Failed 1rst Round Picks
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06 Al Montoya (Rangers)
08 Alexandre Picard (Blue Jackets)
10 Boris Valabik (Thrashers)
11 Lauri Tukonen (Kings)
12 A. J. Thelen (Wild)
17 Marek Schwarz (Blues)
22 Lukas Kaspar (Sharks)
24 Kris Chucko (Flames)
30 Andy Rogers (Lightning)

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Gaunce strikes me as a Pavelski in 4-5 years. I'd take that.

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I agree with the last two posts. All reports say that Gaunce is a big kid that can skate and play 200 feet. He may not be dynamic or flashy but he could still develop into a very solid player...25+25 and a two way game at the 17th pick would a win if it happens that way.

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How many centers do we need?

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How many centers do we need?
Likely a minimum of 6 on the 23 man roster with a minimum of 5 being regulars. Faceoffs get pathetic if you don't. I wouldn't count Mitchell as even a backup center, he is that bad at faceoffs.

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Psh who needs wingers

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13. Minimum.

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Likely a minimum of 6 on the 23 man roster with a minimum of 5 being regulars. Faceoffs get pathetic if you don't. I wouldn't count Mitchell as even a backup center, he is that bad at faceoffs.
Marleau, Thornton, Pavelski, Couture, Moore/Handzus, Desjardins, Wingels. We got this.

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Marleau, Thornton, Pavelski, Couture, Moore/Handzus, Desjardins, Wingels. We got this.
Didn't get enough Wingels faceoffs to see if he was good at it. Sharks are on overload but there are teams like the Jets that just don't have it. Jets are using guys who should be playing wing.

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Marleau, Thornton, Pavelski, Couture, Moore/Handzus, Desjardins, Wingels. We got this.
In 2-3 years, it will likely be just Thornton, Pavelski, Couture and Wingels.

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In 2-3 years, it will likely be just Thornton, Pavelski, Couture and Wingels.
Where's Desjardins?

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Is that a Goc reference?

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In 2-3 years, it will likely be just Thornton, Pavelski, Couture and Wingels.
Well, hopefully it'll also be Hamilton and Viedensky. And Marleau won't go anywhere.

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Is that a Goc reference?
No, it's the stupid trade we make for Suter's rights. I thought I'd jump on the stupid DW move of the year bandwagon

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No, it's the stupid trade we make for Suter's rights. I thought I'd jump on the stupid DW move of the year bandwagon
If trading Desjardins is the only stupid move we make this summer, I'll consider it a success.

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If trading Desjardins is the only stupid move we make this summer, I'll consider it a success.
For Suter's rights? That would be the first move that really chaps my hide. Not that I've been OK with all of them, but that would be insane, wouldn't it?

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