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05-26-2013, 03:30 AM
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Tenth draft pick or second round exit in playoffs?

Which scenario gives the team more?

The benefits from an earlier draft pick is obvious, but making the playoffs and actually getting through the first round gives the players needed playoff experience and self confidence.

Which scenario benefits Ottawa the most?

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You can't possibly know. If the draft pick is McKinnon then it's good. If it's Ivan Novoseltsev then it's a huge bust.

If you face a top seed who makes it to game 6 of the conference finals but in the process you put them through a grueling, see-saw 7-game series with two OT wins then it will be extremely beneficial to the youth. If you face a mediocre first round opponent that is basically good on paper but such a walkover that you get blitzed in the 2nd round then all it does is get your youth smashed in the mouth.

I don't see the benefit of discussing this, but that's just my opinion.

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It honestly depends on how much the kids learn from being in the 2nd round, and witnessing first hand what it will take to get over that hump.

Personally, considering how beneficial it probably was for our young kids to make it to round 2 (and then getting schooled by Pittsburgh) I'll take the 17th overall pick + 2 rounds of playoff hockey over the 10th pick and an early tee time. No Brainer.

If we're talking a top-5 pick, the argument might be different (depending on club needs, etc...), but the difference between a top-5 pick and the 10th overall pick is pretty massive, IMO. The difference between the 10th pick and the 17th pick is not nearly as severe.

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You can't possibly know. If the draft pick is McKinnon then it's good. If it's Ivan Novoseltsev then it's a huge bust.

If you face a top seed who makes it to game 6 of the conference finals but in the process you put them through a grueling, see-saw 7-game series with two OT wins then it will be extremely beneficial to the youth. If you face a mediocre first round opponent that is basically good on paper but such a walkover that you get blitzed in the 2nd round then all it does is get your youth smashed in the mouth.

I don't see the benefit of discussing this, but that's just my opinion.
Yeah, that's what kinda worries me about the Pittsburgh series. How will the guys react to that blowout...

The way they' never gave up all year give me hope it will spur them onto bigger and better things.

As for the draft pick, choosing between 10th and 17th....you always want the higher one, but sometimes it's kinda better not to have it. If you pick a guy at 10 who's not generally proclaimed to be a top 10-12 pick, people start questioning the guy before he has a chance to even attend camp. Making a bit of a reach for a guy at 17th is slightly more acceptable....and generally the guys taken a bit lower are given a bit more leeway to develop (look at how many people expect Ceci to make the lineup sometime next year ).

We have the chance at 17 to take a boom or bust homerun swing at a player who could develop into a top four D or first liner, which is what we really need coming down the pipeline. We already have a lot of 2nd-3rd line tweeners and 4-6 D...need a few picks to burst out a bit.

Murray & co have done a great job at identifying players, so I trust we'll get a great prospect at 17th. I just hope whoever we get has wheels and elite skill - we're still really lacking in those areas with most of our prospects.

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05-26-2013, 06:37 AM
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I don't value draft picks as highly as many people do.

Edmonton raked in first overall picks and other very high picks for a several years in a row and they are still terrible. Ottawa was able to call up players who made Calder Cup runs a couple of years back and they performed wonderfully when the injuries struck. Making the playoffs and making a run is the only standard that matters, and Andre Benoit, Colin Greening, Robin Lehner, et al got the job done for us this year, while RNH and the so-called "big four" di not get the job done for the Oil. This sounds harsh, but it is true.

Picks and potential mean very little. Playoff appearances and success mean everything.

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I'd take the second round of the playoffs 10 times out of 10.

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05-26-2013, 07:40 AM
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I'd take the second round of the playoffs 10 times out of 10.
This is how I feel as well.

Are we not entertained?

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Playoffs without a doubt. Great learning experience and the youngsters now know they still have to ramp it up even more.

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i would take the second round exit. with all the injurys we had all year it well worth it

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2nd round, every time.
This is a ridiculous thread.

Ask Leaf fans if they'd prefer the top ten or a single playoff round.

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Butt a prospekt u guyzzzz!!!!!! He might be good! Could maybe get us to the 2nd round someday!

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Butt a prospekt u guyzzzz!!!!!! He might be good! Could maybe get us to the 2nd round someday!

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If we don't trade away the rookies that played this year I am sure it will benefit us.

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Easily second round.

Top picks for years in a row, doesn't always turn out to be like Pittsburgh. Actually, rarely does.

So, 2nd round exit. Especially if it comes after a 1st round exit the year before. Improvement is great!


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We beat the Canadiens, that's the most important part.

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05-26-2013, 12:53 PM
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For a team like Ottawa, making it to the second round and those extra two home games means Melnyk makes some money. It might make the difference of coughing up some bucks for an impact player they might otherwise not pay for. No idea who that impact player might be though.

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Prefer playoffs, particularly with Murray's drafting ability. We drafted Karlsson 15th overall in 2008.

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I would give up a LOT just to experience Game 3 of that Habs series again. :-) That was epic. Beating the Penguins in double OT to salvage a bit of pride - almost as epic.

Playoff wins > almost anything else as an organization. Besides, our young guys needed that experience. Almost inevitably, you have to lose before you can win in this League, and our young core will benefit immensely from that playoff run and, yes, getting spanked by a better team. Silfverberg, Z-bad, Pageau, Cowen - every young guy who hit the wall in that Penguins series will be much better for it. Heck, even the 80s Oilers had to get beat in the playoffs a couple of times first.

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I'd take playoffs everytime. The guys gave it a good run considering all the injuries and we were able to beat the Habs quite handily and we still get to pick higher than them

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I would give up a LOT just to experience Game 3 of that Habs series again. :-) That was epic. Beating the Penguins in double OT to salvage a bit of pride - almost as epic.

Playoff wins > almost anything else as an organization. Besides, our young guys needed that experience. Almost inevitably, you have to lose before you can win in this League, and our young core will benefit immensely from that playoff run and, yes, getting spanked by a better team. Silfverberg, Z-bad, Pageau, Cowen - every young guy who hit the wall in that Penguins series will be much better for it. Heck, even the 80s Oilers had to get beat in the playoffs a couple of times first.
Exactly this. The Penguins lost to us in 2007 when we went on our run before they became legitimate perrenial contenders. The Blackhawks lost to Detroit the year before they became dominant and won the cup. These were both teams with young cores. Similarly, our young core is going to have to learn from this second round loss and we will be a better team because of it.

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When the best player we got in the 2011 draft was Pageau, does a high pick really matter that much?

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You can't possibly know. If the draft pick is McKinnon then it's good. If it's Ivan Novoseltsev then it's a huge bust.

If you face a top seed who makes it to game 6 of the conference finals but in the process you put them through a grueling, see-saw 7-game series with two OT wins then it will be extremely beneficial to the youth. If you face a mediocre first round opponent that is basically good on paper but such a walkover that you get blitzed in the 2nd round then all it does is get your youth smashed in the mouth.

I don't see the benefit of discussing this, but that's just my opinion.

I read this as Ivan Bromoseltzer.

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