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I'd do that in an instant for Tavares, Stamkos, Hall, RNH, Yakupov etc... 15th overalls aren't worth that much. How many guys in that range pan out?
Take a look at the 2006 draft ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_NHL_Entry_Draft ). I picked this one since there has been enough time for these guys to develop - if they haven't shown promise yet they aren't going to do it later.
If you are a terrible team, then it wouldn't apply as much since you're likely to have better prospects and better picks.
Even if I were an average team ,I would not do a trade like that.
For what?To have Nail and not be able to surround him with a strong supporting cast?
Florida didn't need a goalie since they had Luongo. Assuming they wanted Horton, why not pick up an extra 2nd rounder?
Florida probably should've realized there's a reason why Eric Staal is ranked no.2 and Horton is no.3.
The next 10 years of their franchise would've been pretty different I'd imagine if they just had picked the BPA.
I always liken trading down as trying to get too damn fancy on a 3-on-1 and you end up blowing it. If the BPA is staring at you right in your face, then make the pick.
Even if I were an average team ,I would not do a trade like that.
For what?To have Nail and not be able to surround him with a strong supporting cast?
The rest of the team would be unchanged. You're just trading futures for a surefire #1 pick.
I would do Klefbom/Musil/the next 3 Oilers 1st round draft picks for Stamkos quite easily. Yakupov might not project to be as good as Stamkos, but it's likely that the Oilers 1st round draft picks would also have more value than 3x 15th overall.
Florida probably should've realized there's a reason why Eric Staal is ranked no.2 and Horton is no.3.
The next 10 years of their franchise would've been pretty different I'd imagine if they just had picked the BPA.
I always liken trading down as trying to get too damn fancy on a 3-on-1 and you end up blowing it. If the BPA is staring at you right in your face, then make the pick.
Some rankings had Horton at #1 and at #4 while Staal was #1 and #2. Maybe Florida thought there was not much of a difference between the two players and would just pickup the leftover player while moving up from the 3rd round to the 2nd round.
The rest of the team would be unchanged. You're just trading futures for a surefire #1 pick.
I would do Klefbom/Musil/the next 3 Oilers 1st round draft picks for Stamkos quite easily. Yakupov might not project to be as good as Stamkos, but it's likely that the Oilers 1st round draft picks would also have more value than 3x 15th overall.
A team's best chance to land top talent,is using their highest picks,drafting and developing well.
There is a reason we don't see trades like this, except in message boards proposals:they are wild overpayment.
1st overalls
Crosby
Ovechkin
Stamkos
Hall
RNH
Kane
Tavares
Nash
Anyone here think you could get any of these guys for a pick and a roster player?
how about Sequin or Landeskog or Malkin or J Staal? 2nd overalls
anyone think you can get these guys for a roster player and a pick?
Schenn and a 5th overall pick doesn't get you close to one of the second overalls, let alone 1st.
Think more like your two top prospects/young players and your next 3 or 4 1st round picks. This = socks knocked off. You did see that episode of Mythbuster's right?
Unless something like that shows up on the table the Oilers will be adding Nail Yakupov to their roster.
Silly. There's a huge range in quality even on that list.
The only one of the move back deals I'd consider is CBJ, except drop the 2nd+prospect and give me the option to swap picks the next year. I don't see them being a whole lot better next year.
In the Rags deal, I'd probably do it for Girardi, Stepan, McIlrath, NYR 1st (25-30) for 1st, 32nd.
Done.
Because of scarcity of righty D, would have preferred McIlrath (a righty) to replace Girardi (righty) and given you alternate compensation (Dubinksy?).
But can accept this variation as well.
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Some rankings had Horton at #1 and at #4 while Staal was #1 and #2. Maybe Florida thought there was not much of a difference between the two players and would just pickup the leftover player while moving up from the 3rd round to the 2nd round.
(Source: Googled CSS and ISS 2003 rankings)
Horton 54GP 33-35-68 playoffs 13GP 9-6-15
Staal 66GP 39-59-98 playoffs 7GP 9-5-14
Staal was head and shoulders the better talent, the only thing you could argue in Horton's favour was that he was more of a power forward. That's a pretty poor reason to overlook a guy who's almost the same size (taller but a bit lighter) who plays with some pretty good grit and physicality himself). If Horton wavered between 1 and 4 and Staal was only #2 because a couple scouts liked the higher risk/reward factor (true power forward) of Horton, I think you still say Staal was the top prospect heading into the draft. No different than ISS having Grigorenko @ #1 for a month or two (IIRC Jan and Feb???). Or like last year, where there was an insane amount of movement on ISS list, especially guys like Couturier, Landeskog, Huberdeau, but RNH was never worse than 3rd and that was only in the early part of the season.
Yakupov is the consensus guy, and I've probably seen 5 or 6 names @ #2 on any given list at any time. That tells me trading down is a very bad idea.
Done.
Because of scarcity of ready D, would have preferred McIlrath (a righty) to replace Girardi (righty) and given you alternate compensation (Dubinksy?).
But can accept this variation as well.
Ya, it would be damn hard to pass on Yak, but I think that's the type of deal that convinces us. Gives us an actual NHL D corps next year (something we haven't seen in a few years). A little worrisome that Girardi is only under contract for 2 years, but there's options there (by the time we have to make a decision, McIlrath would be ready). Stepan makes Gagner expendable and is an upgrade both offensively and defensively. My fellow Oiler fans may not like it as much as me, but I'd definitely do it.
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