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04-24-2012, 12:21 AM
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Calvin De Haan is not on the same level as Ryan Murphy. Not even close. He has never been a ppg player. Never mind scoring anywhere close to 26 goals in his draft year.

Skinner is proven in the league, at least to a degree, Yakupov is not, although Im sure he will be a very good player, he is largely unproven, at least at the nhl level.

Also, the difference between #4 and #8 this year, is not that great imo.

So, your proposal isnt close to what I am proposing.
I didn't realize OHL stats were the be all, end all, when it came to assessing prospects.

So he didn't have a ppg in his draft year (63pts in 68 games), neither did Shea Weber or Kris Letang. What you failed to mention is that De Haan was good enough to make the World Junior team which Murphy has not (though I would think he'd be a lock for next year). They are different in terms of style (De Haan being more well rounded), but if you want to give the edge to Murphy I won't argue (more dynamic), all I'm saying is the difference isn't anywhere near as extreme as you make it out to be.

That difference is of course being balanced out by the higher pick. Murray could be there at 4, but probably isn't at 8.

Yakupov should be as good as Skinner on the low end of expectations.


I'm really not sure how I could have come up with a better comparable to be honest. I guess if I had watched the one game you saw of Murphy I'd be having the same wet dream you seem to be having over the kid. I've learned to temper my excitement when watching a CHL game...... at least until Rob Schremp is inducted into the hockey hall of fame.

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04-24-2012, 12:25 AM
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Nail's a good prospect, but let's not pretend he's a sure thing superstar here. I'm not even convinced that he'll be as good as Hall. Giving up a top offensive dman prospect and a pick that's a guarantee to have the chance to pick one of the next tier of prospects isn't worth it.
nobody that i know of is saying Nail will be a superstar, but c'mon! "good" prospect? he'll probably be more than "good". maybe he won't be as good as Hall, but maybe he will? who's to say he can't be? but seriously, you can't compare him to Ryan Murphy who's a whole lot less of a guarantee to be an effective NHLer right now, plus a #8 pick of players who are considered a drop off from where Nail is.

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nobody that i know of is saying Nail will be a superstar, but c'mon! "good" prospect? he'll probably be more than "good". maybe he won't be as good as Hall, but maybe he will? who's to say he can't be? but seriously, you can't compare him to Ryan Murphy who's a whole lot less of a guarantee to be an effective NHLer right now, plus a #8 pick of players who are considered a drop off from where Nail is.
How so?

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04-24-2012, 12:34 AM
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I didn't realize OHL stats were the be all, end all, when it came to assessing prospects.

So he didn't have a ppg in his draft year (63pts in 68 games), neither did Shea Weber or Kris Letang. What you failed to mention is that De Haan was good enough to make the World Junior team which Murphy has not (though I would think he'd be a lock for next year). They are different in terms of style (De Haan being more well rounded), but if you want to give the edge to Murphy I won't argue (more dynamic), all I'm saying is the difference isn't anywhere near as extreme as you make it out to be.

That difference is of course being balanced out by the higher pick. Murray could be there at 4, but probably isn't at 8.

Yakupov should be as good as Skinner on the low end of expectations.


I'm really not sure how I could have come up with a better comparable to be honest. I guess if I had watched the one game you saw of Murphy I'd be having the same wet dream you seem to be having over the kid. I've learned to temper my excitement when watching a CHL game...... at least until Rob Schremp is inducted into the hockey hall of fame.
I bow down to your hockey brilliance.

Why did I not realize that Ryan Murphy was really Calvin de Haan in sheep's clothing? You know, the same Calvin de Haan that is being called a disappointment and a bust by Islander fans.

I guess Murphy scoring 13pts at last years u18 tourney would be right up de Haan's alley too?

Hilarious that you would attempt to belittle someone when you clearly dont have the foggiest.

Here's a little game we could play, I will take Skinner and Murphy, and you can have Yakupov and de Haan, and whomever's combo scores the least amount of points in the nhl next year, leaves HF for one whole year.

You in?

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Dont get carried away, its not an absolute horrible trade. Edler is a #1 Dman.
But it would take ALOT more then that to trade within the division.
Good post. Edler is a 45-50 point PMD which the Oilers desperately need with Smid, Schultz, Sutton, Peckham playing the "stay at home" roles. But he's also a rental

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How so?
Its simple really. Professional scouts rank players by what they believe is the players potential in the NHL. Yakupov is the consensus #1 pick meaning that pretty much every pro-scout/media personality means this player has the best chance to be an impact NHL'er. Murphy was drafted 12th. It's your right to disagree though.

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I bow down to your hockey brilliance.

Why did I not realize that Ryan Murphy was really Calvin de Haan in sheep's clothing? You know, the same Calvin de Haan that is being called a disappointment and a bust by Islander fans.

I guess Murphy scoring 13pts at last years u18 tourney would be right up de Haan's alley too?

Hilarious that you would attempt to belittle someone when you clearly dont have the foggiest.

Here's a little game we could play, I will take Skinner and Murphy, and you can have Yakupov and de Haan, and whomever's combo scores the least amount of points in the nhl next year, leaves HF for one whole year.


You in?
**** that sounds like a no brainer Either way no IATL for a whole year???? JK If people didnt disagree threads would die after the OP

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Here's a little game we could play, I will take Skinner and Murphy, and you can have Yakupov and de Haan, and whomever's combo scores the least amount of points in the nhl next year, leaves HF for one whole year.

You in?
you believe Murphy is a lock to make the Canes next season? Yakupov will make the jump with the Oilers, DeHaan I am not too sure but playing in the AHL for a season was valuable for his career.

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**** that sounds like a no brainer Either way no IATL for a whole year???? JK If people didnt disagree threads would die after the OP
The disagreement is welcome.

Its the other garbage I could do without.

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you believe Murphy is a lock to make the Canes next season? Yakupov will make the jump with the Oilers, DeHaan I am not too sure but playing in the AHL for a season was valuable for his career.
Im not too worried about the Alex Plante of the NYI's.

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Wow, that offer is insulting...

The Canucks would have to add a seventh rounder.

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How so?
(the way I see it)

Yakupov will at least be a 60 point player, unless injuries completely derail his career.

Murphy is a boom or bust prospect. He has amazing natural talents, but it is questionable if his game can translate to the NHL.

Can he make plays/lead rushes at an NHL level?

Can he handle the physical demands of playing ~80 games a year against men?

Can he provide adequate defense with the physical tools he has?

These are questions (mainly 2/3) that don't really apply to Yakupov.

Having said that, I think that Murphy's skillset, at its greatest potential, can make him a star in the NHL. The question is will his game translate?

For example, I have read articles that both Grigorenko and Galchenyuk both have the potential to be better than Yakupov. But Yakupov has the best chance to reach his potential and stick around in the NHL, because he plays a style that is suited to NHL hockey.

These are all educated guesses, but that's how I see it.

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Oilers fan saying no. If we had #2 I'd do it, but #1 is considerably more valuable.

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Ha take is easy guys, half hearted Edler proposal, but seriously...Edmonton would kill for an Edler on their blueline, probably just not at the cost of the first overall. Honestly though, I don't think it's too far off, however I never post proposals so...

And for the record I don't want the Canucks to trade Edler, I think that would be a terrible idea.

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From an Oil fan POV this isn't a horrible offer... but I think Edmonton would rather a young effective roster player to go along with a high draft pick.

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The team has scored 46 goals in 14 games!
And Reider has 27 points while Murphy has 19. Liquor is right, aside from Rieder, Murphy and Catenacci the Rangers have had very little offense.

I love Murphy, but I would not make this deal.

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I didn't realize OHL stats were the be all, end all, when it came to assessing prospects.

So he didn't have a ppg in his draft year (63pts in 68 games), neither did Shea Weber or Kris Letang. What you failed to mention is that De Haan was good enough to make the World Junior team which Murphy has not (though I would think he'd be a lock for next year). They are different in terms of style (De Haan being more well rounded), but if you want to give the edge to Murphy I won't argue (more dynamic), all I'm saying is the difference isn't anywhere near as extreme as you make it out to be.

That difference is of course being balanced out by the higher pick. Murray could be there at 4, but probably isn't at 8.

Yakupov should be as good as Skinner on the low end of expectations.


I'm really not sure how I could have come up with a better comparable to be honest. I guess if I had watched the one game you saw of Murphy I'd be having the same wet dream you seem to be having over the kid. I've learned to temper my excitement when watching a CHL game...... at least until Rob Schremp is inducted into the hockey hall of fame.
I disagree. The difference between Muprhy and De Haan is significant. Murphy has elite skills in a number of areas. He is a tremendous skater. Think about Paul Coffey here and you are not so far off. He has a big shot and outstanding hockey sense. He has even improved his defensive game a lot. His real problem is that he is on the small side and that brings with it question marks. However, as it turns out he's actually about the same size as a number of the game's top offensive dmen.

This really is not that far off in my mind. If the pick was #5 I'd probably do it.


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No from Edm. Yakupov is way more of a sure thing than Carolina's 1st and Murphy.

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Dumoulin would be the cheaper option boys.
Well, if by cheaper you mean a guy that isn't available, then, yeah. I know that anyone is available for the right price, but the Canes management is extremely high on Dumoulin and just signed him to his ELC. Whether it is warranted or not, they see him as a top defenseman in a few years. I suspect that anyone that wanted Dumoulin would have to pony up quite a bit (more than he's probably worth) to pry him from Carolina so I doubt he'd be as cheap as you think he is. The players Carolina would want are guys Edmonton wouldn't want to include in the deal.

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