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05-15-2012, 09:50 AM
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Different franchises. No one wants to play in Edmonton, it minus turdy two. They had to overpay. We aren't a dead fish in the water franchise, players will want to play here.
And Grabovski got 5 years at $5.5 mil per from the center of the hockey universe why exactly?

The idea that the Caps are some great franchise that players are clamoring to play for, especially after the last couple years, amuses me...

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05-15-2012, 09:55 AM
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Different franchises. No one wants to play in Edmonton, it minus turdy two. They had to overpay. We aren't a dead fish in the water franchise, players will want to play here.
Sure different franchises, but it established the market floor for Semin.

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I think he used the wrong word. I think he was attempting to hint towards a Division, not jealousy.

Say like...Laich looks at Ovi for not making plays or keeping them in the game and that radiating out to the possible mini-factions on the team. If Ovi and Semin don't go out there and score, suddenly the grinders like Laich and Hendricks have to go and grind out the game.
I don't think this particular scenario is plausible. After all, Brooks Laich views himself as a skill player ( ).

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The idea that the Caps are some great franchise that players are clamoring to play for, especially after the last couple years, amuses me...
Yea, it must be rough going to a team that is one year removed from back-to-back #1 seeds who averaged 50+ wins in three seasons in a row previous to this one.

Oh yea, I forgot, we were one of the 31 other teams that didn't win the Cup during those seasons. That puts us on par with the Thrashers, Blue Jackets and other awful teams. Silly me.

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Not a big fan of David Jones. He's an inconsistent power forward who doesn't hit all that much and has injury history.

I wouldn't mind Ribeiro, but I think the same impact could be had with Jokinen without giving up assets. I'd also be willing to roll the dice on a highly drafted rookie behind Backstrom.

Anyone think Detroit could be a possible landing spot for Schultz? With the likely loss of Lidstrom and Stuart, they are going to need to fill multiple holes. Schultz + negotiating rights to Semin (if he doesn't stay) could be an interesting starting point toward getting a Filppula or someone of that nature, and I'm sure they wouldn't mind replacing the 1st they traded for Quincey either.

Defensively, obviously Suter is the golden goose, but I'd be fine with any LD who can push Hamrlik to 3. Wideman should go, replaced with a more balanced player (sophomore Orlov?). The net is fine, though I'd advocate trading Neuvirth for some forward help and signing a mid-aged, mid-tier reliable vet (consistent).

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Ovechkin - Backstrom - Brouwer
Semin/Laich - Acquired 2C - Forward help/Galiev? Prefer someone with decent size and speed
Chimera - Fast 3C/Laich - Johansson
Hendricks - Beagle - Ward
Eakin - Sjogren

Suter/Alzner - Green
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05-15-2012, 10:40 AM
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Yea, it must be rough going to a team that is one year removed from back-to-back #1 seeds who averaged 50+ wins in three seasons in a row previous to this one.

Oh yea, I forgot, we were one of the 31 other teams that didn't win the Cup during those seasons. That puts us on par with the Thrashers, Blue Jackets and other awful teams. Silly me.
I didn't say they were bad but they are nowhere near the upper tier of desired franchises to play for in this league.

This is a team where a talent like Ovechkin has gone from 65 goals to 65 points. Think about that for a second. This is a multiple MVP winning player we are talking about here. Since expansion in '67-'68 7 forwards have won more than 1 Hart Trophy, Esposito, Clarke, Lafleur, Gretzky, Lemieux, Messier, and Ovechkin. And playing for this franchise has reduced an incredibly rare talent like Ovechkin to a 65 point player.

Yeah what top player wouldn't want to play for this franchise...?

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Semin is not gone. His agent said that he and Alex need to see the direction that the team is headed in, and that if management needs him and is going to use him better, then they will negotiate, but if they don't feel a need for Alex, then he will test the market.

Basically, it sounds like Semin wants to have his playing time where it was in past seasons, and have increased time on the PK. That's not too much to ask for considering he could easily go 40-40 with a more offensive coach.

I never saw him say that before, but that sounds much more promising than the other quotes we saw earlier. I read it on the WP Caps Insider.

Also, Ovechkin hinted at some jealousy in the lockerrom and some tension. Very possible it was everyone vs. guys like Ovechkin, Semin, Mojo, Green.
Yeah that's captain material.

Didn't see the quote or the source, but if he even discussed that or made mention of that he doesn't deserve even an A on his sweater. Leave that **** in the locker room don't take it out in to the public. He may lead the team in points but he's not demonstrating that he's a team leader with comments like that.

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Think about that for a second. This is a multiple MVP winning player we are talking about here
So...the ability to play with a player capable of winning the league's MVP with relative ease, who is still in the prime of his career in regards to age...somehow makes this a less than desirable destination. A player who struggled under a coach who instituted a system that didn't fit that player. A coach who was removed.

I fail to see your point, so here's a dancing pink elephant.


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Yeah that's captain material.

Didn't see the quote or the source, but if he even discussed that or made mention of that he doesn't deserve even an A on his sweater. Leave that **** in the locker room don't take it out in to the public. He may lead the team in points but he's not demonstrating that he's a team leader with comments like that.
Watch the video...wiz posted it around midnight. I think it's just a language gaffe.

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Yeah that's captain material.

Didn't see the quote or the source, but if he even discussed that or made mention of that he doesn't deserve even an A on his sweater. Leave that **** in the locker room don't take it out in to the public. He may lead the team in points but he's not demonstrating that he's a team leader with comments like that.
Overreact much??

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Yeah that's captain material.

Didn't see the quote or the source, but if he even discussed that or made mention of that he doesn't deserve even an A on his sweater. Leave that **** in the locker room don't take it out in to the public. He may lead the team in points but he's not demonstrating that he's a team leader with comments like that.
Should all captains follow some sort of book where they poop sunshine and kittens about their locker room? I thought the whole point of being a captain in the locker room is the ability to call players out? Enough of this "keep it in house" ********, BB aired his dirty laundry and he was awesome.

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I didn't say they were bad but they are nowhere near the upper tier of desired franchises to play for in this league.

This is a team where a talent like Ovechkin has gone from 65 goals to 65 points. Think about that for a second. This is a multiple MVP winning player we are talking about here. Since expansion in '67-'68 7 forwards have won more than 1 Hart Trophy, Esposito, Clarke, Lafleur, Gretzky, Lemieux, Messier, and Ovechkin. And playing for this franchise has reduced an incredibly rare talent like Ovechkin to a 65 point player.

Yeah what top player wouldn't want to play for this franchise...?

All those guys except for Ovie have Cups. And none of them would've been good enough to turn the loser Caps mentality into a SC winner.

We are the Hartford Whalers.

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We are the Hartford Whalers.
the whate are now the canes.

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I laughed.

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What about making a deal to bring in Derick Brassard? He'd help fill the 2C void.

Also, how much of a long shot would it be to sign Parise? I mentioned this a few weeks before, but I'd love to kick the tires on Artuykhin over in the KHL and see if there is any way that he'd be interested in playing in DC. His speed/physicality/craziness would be GREAT on our 3rd line.

If Parise somehow signs, that definitely would put an end to the Ryan Suter talk. If it happens, who could we target as a UFA d-man that would fit our team AND we could afford?

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Parise isn't coming here. Pavelski isn't coming here. Suter isn't coming here. Why? Because it's the Caps.

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Parise isn't coming here. Pavelski isn't coming here. Suter isn't coming here. Why? Because it's the Caps.
Thanks for looking in your crystal ball, Miss Cleo.

Mods, feel free to lock this thread up.

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The last big unrestricted free agent the Caps signed....

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The last big unrestricted free agent the Caps signed
Well you could make an argument for Nylander part deux.

Either way..outside of a few instances, most of GMGM's UFAs have not panned out.

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Overreact much??
I know. It's absolute heresy on my part to suggest in Cap country that the great eight may not be great at somethings, such as being a team captain, team leader and a two way hockey player. He has his positives but he has his flaws as well.

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Hmmm..............with all of the talk of trapping, trappers, entrapment, #HunterHockey and such - I wonder if Jacques Martin is a possibility for a new coach. He definitely IMHO played much the same system but never had the offensive horses that Washington currently has. And even without them he was somewhat successful. I don't know that he exactly let off the gas as much either when his team was up a goal.

I for one do like the defensive system if you don't let up so much after scoring. And JM encouraged his d-men to be involved in the offensive play - he encouraged it. His system was man to man in the d zone as well which the players seemed to grasp pretty well and actually liked. I remember comments from Alzner and Green expressing the simplicity of the system.

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Hmmm..............with all of the talk of trapping, trappers, entrapment, #HunterHockey and such - I wonder if Jacques Martin is a possibility for a new coach. He definitely IMHO played much the same system but never had the offensive horses that Washington currently has. And even without them he was somewhat successful. I don't know that he exactly let off the gas as much either when his team was up a goal.

I for one do like the defensive system if you don't let up so much after scoring. And JM encouraged his d-men to be involved in the offensive play - he encouraged it. His system was man to man in the d zone as well which the players seemed to grasp pretty well and actually liked. I remember comments from Alzner and Green expressing the simplicity of the system.
Interesting. His coaching record isn't that stellar, but it is interesting.

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Should all captains follow some sort of book where they poop sunshine and kittens about their locker room? I thought the whole point of being a captain in the locker room is the ability to call players out? Enough of this "keep it in house" ********, BB aired his dirty laundry and he was awesome.
Captains should not be discussing what goes on behind close doors to the media or with anyone else who's not on the team roster.

Sounds like he might of been the one that was being called out, btw it was Ovie's antics on the bench in early November during the Ducks game and his mouthing the "Fat ****" remark about BB that probably was one of those proverbial straws that broke the camels back for BB's coaching career here in Washington. A Captain just does not do that in that forum. If he had issues with BB, discuss it with BB behind close doors but don't do something like that during a game.

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Hmmm..............with all of the talk of trapping, trappers, entrapment, #HunterHockey and such - I wonder if Jacques Martin is a possibility for a new coach. He definitely IMHO played much the same system but never had the offensive horses that Washington currently has. And even without them he was somewhat successful. I don't know that he exactly let off the gas as much either when his team was up a goal.

I for one do like the defensive system if you don't let up so much after scoring. And JM encouraged his d-men to be involved in the offensive play - he encouraged it. His system was man to man in the d zone as well which the players seemed to grasp pretty well and actually liked. I remember comments from Alzner and Green expressing the simplicity of the system.
Martin is awful.

Imagine Dale Hunter hockey WITHOUT any form of physical play and standing up for teamates.

The guy would suck every last vestige of life out of this team.

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Martin is awful.

Imagine Dale Hunter hockey WITHOUT any form of physical play and standing up for teamates.

The guy would suck every last vestige of life out of this team.
Brent Sutter now coaching team Canada is someone I'd consider.

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