Just like those teams would want Therrien, too, eh? Yet the guy hasn't really gone anywhere. Our defensive zone system is a joke. It has been since right after the SCFs.
I just feel the same thing happening. No adjustments what-so-ever. We think we can win every battle just because we are the Pens.
Or because we have offensive powerhouses who can (usually) generate enough goals to cover defensive lapses. So frustrating, knowing the potential of this team and not seeing it come to fruition because of system failures.
Meh, if he learned anything from his father, he'll have a keen sense of what will work, and what can be made to work. Might not be earth-shattering though. As an outsider, I gave him a pass for last season due to all the injuries.
He has a stated policy that bottom six forwards are exceptionally expendable. Just interchangeable parts.
guys, this isn't the end of the world. i think our problems can easily be solved by firing the entire coaching staff, trading staal, and getting a quality backup that can push fleury hard for his job. replace martin with despres, and orpik with someone younger and more physical. the piece staal brings back would have to be the long term winger for sid. dustin jeffrey can be third line center, i dont think it's that important as long as the d is shored up and we have two great scoring lines.
Did anyone see Laviolette's post game interview? Am I the only one who thought that what he alleged Talbot did (i.e. passing significant information about the Pens organization, systems and personnel) was against "the code". I was literally shocked by what he said, but absolutely floored by the fact that he said it at all.
I honestly think acquiring a third line center will be the biggest priority of the summer. So Staal can play in the top 6 full time. Doesn't matter who plays with who at this point. I could see one of Martin or Michalek being moved but only for the right deal. Also more toughness in the bottom 6.
Just a side comment: For all the changes in the organization in the last 8-9 years, the one thing that's never changed has been Giles Meloche. He's been the one voice in Fleury's ear his entire career. Wonder if that could change . . . no, I won't hold my breathe.
Meloche has not been MAF's goalie coach for that long. He was brought in for the 06-07 season I believe. Shane Clifford was the goalie coach before him. But if the point is to make a change then yes I agree, I would like to see a new one.
Did anyone see Laviolette's post game interview? Am I the only one who thought that what he alleged Talbot did (i.e. passing significant information about the Pens organization, systems and personnel) was against "the code". I was literally shocked by what he said, but absolutely floored by the fact that he said it at all.
Huh? What'd Peter The Purple say? What'd Talbot do or say? I'm confused, yet intrigued.....
i hate talbot almost as much as giroux and hartnell. what could he really tell lavy that he can't see by watching a few hours of tape?
Not that much. Hockey is an easier sport to understand. That's why in-game adjustments are so important. You cannot follow trends or anything like that. All a coach would have to do is alter it.
I think our PK was baited more than anything ever. How you don't let the point shoot and you give up everyone else is a ****ing joke. That's all on coaching. They should have known that.
Huh? What'd he say? What'd Talbot do or say? I'm confused, yet intrigued.....
The question asked was whether having someone do familiar with the Pens organization made a difference. He answered by saying that he spent significant time with Talbot in his office talking about the Pens organization. The most disturbing part to me was the insight on organizational decision making. That's the part you can't get from just watching tape. I'm sorry that I can't quote exactly what he said, but I'm typing from memory and on my phone. NHL on the fly is on all night, so I'm sure they'll show it again.
Not that much. Hockey is an easier sport to understand. That's why in-game adjustments are so important. You cannot follow trends or anything like that. All a coach would have to do is alter it.
I think our PK was baited more than anything ever. How you don't let the point shoot and you give up everyone else is a ****ing joke. That's all on coaching. They should have known that.
I completely disagree. I would agree with you insofar as trends go, but that wasn't the type of thing he was talking about in his answer. His answer came across like he thought it was a HUGE advantage. The thing you have to realize is that he could pass on significant information not just about organizational decisions and information, but also about players themselves. I can't ever remember hearing a comment like that made ever. Like I said, I had always understood that "the code" provided that what was private when you were with an organization remains private after you left.
I honestly think acquiring a third line center will be the biggest priority of the summer. So Staal can play in the top 6 full time. Doesn't matter who plays with who at this point. I could see one of Martin or Michalek being moved but only for the right deal. Also more toughness in the bottom 6.
Right deal? Martin isn't worth a double order of nachos. I'd be happier than hell if we could dump him and his salary.
Right deal? Martin isn't worth a double order of nachos. I'd be happier than hell if we could dump him and his salary.
you're wrong if you think he has no value. He just has no value in our system. He wasn't not being masked as a good D-man in New Jersey, he was a good fit for their style. He can be a great D-man and great fit for a number of other teams. Its not as simple as if a player can't play in Pittsburgh, he can't play anywhere...
I haven't posted here since that disaster that was game 1. I wanted to wait and let Dan Bylsma's incompetence shine brightly for the rest of an already lost playoff year. I said after Game 1 if the Pens lose this series Bylsma should be canned after the deciding game and I'm sticking with that and I'm holding GM Ray Shero responsible for any future failures from this point on if he doesn't give Bylsma and this joke of a coaching staff its walking papers. Hopefully Mario Lemieux and Ron Burkle will make it clear that lost playoff revenues created by a head coach who wants to run a country club atmosphere, who refuses to adapt to the opposition and who hires his just as incompetent pal as an assistant (Tony Granato) aren't going to tolerated any longer.Three years of this is enough!!!!
you're wrong if you think he has no value. He just has no value in our system. He wasn't not being masked as a good D-man in New Jersey, he was a good fit for their style. He can be a great D-man and great fit for a number of other teams. Its not as simple as if a player can't play in Pittsburgh, he can't play anywhere...
That might be true, but do you see a team picking up his contract?
I completely disagree. I would agree with you insofar as trends go, but that wasn't the type of thing he was talking about in his answer. His answer came across like he thought it was a HUGE advantage. The thing you have to realize is that he could pass on significant information not just about organizational decisions and information, but also about players themselves. I can't ever remember hearing a comment like that made ever. Like I said, I had always understood that "the code" provided that what was private when you were with an organization remains private after you left.
I don't see how this is something new.
You always hear about how so and so who used to play for a given team gives his new team pointers on his old team; goaltender's tendencies, coaching staff's strategy, what's the best way to get the other star off their game, etc.
I really don't see how what Laviolette said/implied about Talbot is so out of the ordinary.
That might be true, but do you see a team picking up his contract?
he's a maximum of 1-1.5 mil overpaid. If team's want a D-man of Martin's calibur this summer (because there are so few available) theyre going to have to pay more than 5 mil. It may have been a bad deal when we signed him but for a team taking him on, it would not be that much of an overpayment at all.
Who else can you blame this profound breakdown of focus and discipline on but Bylsma? Sack him. I'd also put 87, 71, 11, 18 and 58 in a box and everyone else can go eff themselves. Let's hire Holmgren for a day. Disgraceful team, I'm disgusted by this entire series.
he's a maximum of 1-1.5 mil overpaid. If team's want a D-man of Martin's calibur this summer (because there are so few available) theyre going to have to pay more than 5 mil. It may have been a bad deal when we signed him but for a team taking him on, it would not be that much of an overpayment at all.
Overpayment or not - he serves no purpose on our team. We have players that can do what he does and he needs to go.
When we were down 3-0, i said to myself "I'll be happy if we can make it back to 4-2 and win a couple games and kind of turn it around." We did that. If we played the flyers and lost to them in the ECF would anyone be this pissed? No. We were the two best teams battling it out in the first round and we lost. Oh well, we'll be back next year. You're crazy if you don't think the players want to turn this around more than anyone. They'll be back with a vengeance.
Overpayment or not - he serves no purpose on our team. We have players that can do what he does and he needs to go.
That's why the guy will/should be traded.
Exactly.
I'm still not sure whether Paul Martin knows how to clear a puck or not. I don't think I've seen him do it all year. That this guy is the 3rd highest paid player on the team makes me want to punt babies.
Moving Geno makes zero sense. I agree.
