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Trading Pavelski

View Poll Results: Should be trade Pavelski
Yes, trading Pavelski will help us 24 20.87%
No, Trading Pavelski hurts us to much 91 79.13%
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04-22-2012, 10:50 PM
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I don't want to see Pavelski traded, but if we can net a good 1st line winger for him, I think we should do it.

I wonder how Blackhawks feel about Patrick Sharp. I wouldn't mind a Sharp/Pavelski swap.

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04-22-2012, 11:10 PM
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So you want a third line that's small, can't check, and can't score. Nice.

I vote trade his ass. He's too slow for a small player, doesn't get to the gritty areas around the net as well as couture does, and we have plenty of playmakers who don't score often.
Uh, winnik-pavs-wingles would like to have a chat with you. They would also be very sound defensively.

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04-22-2012, 11:10 PM
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They have three players who are top 8 PKers, four if you include Winnik. Pavs is one. If they ever hope to fix it, Pavs is a keeper. Same thing on faceoffs upon which a possession system hinges.

Enough has been written to say that Pavs has leadership in spades. He should have received the A instead of Clowe. He has improved his game every year and adapted to the roles thrown at him and that goes way back before the NHL. He is versatile and can be a playmaker or sniper although not at an elite level. His type is very rare and I would compare him to Callahan. Very unwise to trade players like that. I wouldn't trade Couture, but if forced I would keep Pavs over Couture all other things (age included) being equal.

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04-22-2012, 11:15 PM
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They have three players who are top 8 PKers, four if you include Winnik. Pavs is one. If they ever hope to fix it, Pavs is a keeper. Same thing on faceoffs upon which a possession system hinges.

Enough has been written to say that Pavs has leadership in spades. He should have received the A instead of Clowe. He has improved his game every year and adapted to the roles thrown at him and that goes way back before the NHL. He is versatile and can be a playmaker or sniper although not at an elite level. His type is very rare and I would compare him to Callahan. Very unwise to trade players like that. I wouldn't trade Couture, but if forced I would keep Pavs over Couture all other things (age included) being equal.
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04-22-2012, 11:20 PM
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If the deal is right, I'm open to it. But it would take quite a bit.

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04-22-2012, 11:25 PM
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One bad playoffs doesn't mean we should get rid of him. He's clutch when need and keeps getting better. 30+ goal scorer and he's 28.

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04-22-2012, 11:33 PM
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04-22-2012, 11:48 PM
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Absolutely not. If there is some spectacular deal, sure, but I don't see how you trade Pavelski and get better now, or in the future. He had an awful playoffs in that he had zero points, and in my opinion led the team in glorious opportunities. On another day, he maybe has four goals, and we are up 3-2. I also agree with others that he needs to head back to center on the 3rd line. Pavelski is a very good offensive threat both as a scorer and facilitator. He offers immense heart and from all accounts, leadership. He brings great penalty kill ability, and despite this series, is an elite faceoff man.

The Sharks have historically looked for two guys to fill two roles. By that, I mean if they need pk and speed, they'll acquire a burner (okay, bad example should have focused on size, but I digress) and a pk specialist, rather than a fast pk specialist. How many guys would we need to replace Pavs?

In a similar vein, Ryane Clowe provides size, playmaking ability, grit, a fearlessness and leadership. His ability to change the tide of a game when engaged is quite unique. However, I still feel much more comfortable letting Clowe go. I recognize this seems highly hypocritical.

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04-23-2012, 12:10 AM
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I don't want to give him away, but I absolutely 100% they should see what kind of a return they can get. This team is painfully slow, and if they can get a speedy young winger with a scoring touch in return I think they'd have to consider it.

Couture and Pavelski are somewhat redundant, so while I love what Pavs brings to the team I wouldn't cry to see him go either.

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04-23-2012, 01:15 AM
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I want to redevelop the Sharks core internaly, stop relying on importing in Stanley cup ring scraps from other teams. So no, I want Pav man to stay

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04-23-2012, 01:28 AM
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Depends on the deal.

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04-23-2012, 01:30 AM
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I don't want to give him away, but I absolutely 100% they should see what kind of a return they can get. This team is painfully slow, and if they can get a speedy young winger with a scoring touch in return I think they'd have to consider it.

Couture and Pavelski are somewhat redundant, so while I love what Pavs brings to the team I wouldn't cry to see him go either.
This too. Couture shouldn't go anywhere so if Thornton/Couture can be kept as a 1/2, then Pavs can be shopped for speed. If Marleau is dealt, I would prefer to have Thornton/Pavs as the 1/2 with Couture with Thornton.

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04-23-2012, 03:37 AM
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I wouldn't trade Pavelski. I see Pavelski, Couture, Burns, and Thornton as the only untouchables on this team.

No way do you trade a 28 year old center who not only gets better every year, but does so many things well (face-offs, scoring, back-checking, solid board play, etc) that you can't easily replace his skill set. He's our future captain if he stays until Jumbo is gone.

Yes, he had a terrible playoff series. He was bad. He admitted he was bad. His accountability should tell you everything you need to know about the type of person and teammate he is.
I totally agree with you. He is definitely a valuable asset to this team and I too feel that until Thornton's gone he's the future captain. I think he and Marleau both just aren't good against the Blues. Some teams just have some players' number, so I say keep him and Marleau. I think the only person out of our top 6 (Marleau, Thornton, Clowe, Havlat, Couture and Pavelski) that needs to go is Clowe. He and Thornton are both slow but Thornton can more than make up for his lack of speed with his play making abilities. I really hope DW can find a way to package Clowe in some sort of deal to the Blue Jackets for Nash.

Like you said though, Pavelski needs to stay. He is a key part to this team.

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04-23-2012, 04:09 AM
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I voted to keep Pavelski. He's the exact type of player mold every team in the league covets: hardworking, clutch, plays all positions, great in faceoffs, team leader, etc. That and he's loyal to the franchise and wants to stay here for the long haul. He even hired a skating coach out of his own pocket just to improve his weak skating, which again shows his desire to win and improve. Sharks hit the jackpot drafting him late and it'd be a mistake to trade him away.

That said, I'd have to think long and hard if Chicago wanted him for either Sharp or Kane. They desperately need a 2nd line center and the Sharks need a quality winger for our top six. Just thinking about that makes my head hurt. I would love to make a deal revolving around Marleau instead, mostly for cap reasons and not to scapegoat his inconsistent play, but that won't happen with his NMC. Besides, a line of Havlat-Marleau-Sharp/Kane would be amazing. So much speed and skill.

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04-23-2012, 04:43 AM
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after this abortion of a season, no one cept JT or couture should be untouchable. pavs should absolutely be considered if we can address one of SEVERAL deficiencies on our team. obviously i would rather off marleau who i am 100% tired of after 15 years of his hot and cold play, but if some team wants pavs and gives us some good pieces then yes we need to consider it.

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04-23-2012, 09:23 AM
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Can we at least get him off the point on the power play? Between Boyle, Burns, Braun and Demers, you'd think we have enough D-men to cover that position and thus, wouldn't have to backfill our 2nd PP unit with bottom 6 forwards.

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Can we at least get him off the point on the power play? Between Boyle, Burns, Braun and Demers, you'd think we have enough D-men to cover that position and thus, wouldn't have to backfill our 2nd PP unit with bottom 6 forwards.
Actually, our PP didn't take off until Pavs was put back on the point.

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04-23-2012, 10:29 AM
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no way, this is crazy talk. sure he doesn't have the foot speed, he can work on that. he's got great vision and positioning. trade clowe instead

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Can we at least get him off the point on the power play? Between Boyle, Burns, Braun and Demers, you'd think we have enough D-men to cover that position and thus, wouldn't have to backfill our 2nd PP unit with bottom 6 forwards.
Looking at the potential point men for the power play, I'm reminded how how desperate we are for left-handed offensive defensmen.

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The only way I see DW dealing Pavelski is to clear cap space for a major free agent signing and in this case it would likely be for prospects and picks. The way I see the possibility of this going down is with the signing of either Praise or Suter, and maybe to a lesser extent Semin.

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Trade Pavelski only if there's something good coming the other way.

The people saying ship out Marleau/Pavelski/Burns are overreacting, and might be the same people that said give Pavs the captaincy because he's the best player on the roster after the Colorado series.

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What would it take for Pavelski to come to the Rangers?

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I'm an obvious NO in the voting. Pavs is too valuable to the Sharks right now especially with this offseason coming up.

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What would it take for Pavelski to come to the Rangers?
We need top-6 wingers or top-6 winger prospects, so what would you offer?

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99.9% no.

I'm sure there's a deal out there that I would have to concede and say that's best for the team. But I seriously doubt we get that deal.

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