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12-12-2004, 12:53 AM
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Compare Our Prospects to NHL Players

These aren't real good but it was hard to come up with accurate comparisons. Im sure there are much better comparisons so i'd actually like to see them.

Jeff Carter

Upside: Mats Sundin

Realistic: Patrick Marleau

Downside: Radek Bonk


Mike Richards

Upside: Steve Yzerman

Realistic: John Madden

Downside: Claude Lapointe

Antero Niittymaki

Upside: Evgeni Nabokov

Realistic: Vesa Toskala

Downside: Neil Little

Dennis Seidenberg

Upside: Kim Johnsson

Realistic: Nathan Dempsey

Downside: Stephane Robidas

Stefan Ruzicka

Upside: Ladislav Nagy

Realistic: Vladimir Orszagh

Downside: Mark Rycroft

Patrick Sharp

Upside: Daymond Langkow

Realistic: Alyn McCauley

Downside: Claude Lapointe

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I think all your upsides are severely stretching it.

Your realistics look good though.

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These aren't real good but it was hard to come up with accurate comparisons. Im sure there are much better comparisons so i'd actually like to see them.

Jeff Carter

Upside: Mats Sundin

so he can be highly over rated?

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I often hear Ruzicka compared to Milan Hejduk, for his finish.

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I often hear Ruzicka compared to Milan Hejduk, for his finish.
I think we might be getting a bit ahead of ourselves here. Hejduk is a 50 goal scorer in the NHL, has Ruzicka netted 50 even in the OHL? It's nice to compare guys to Steve Y. and Sundin, but these are HOF players and it's unfair to compare our prospects to those guys so soon. I like the realistic ones a bit more.

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I think we might be getting a bit ahead of ourselves here. Hejduk is a 50 goal scorer in the NHL, has Ruzicka netted 50 even in the OHL? It's nice to compare guys to Steve Y. and Sundin, but these are HOF players and it's unfair to compare our prospects to those guys so soon. I like the realistic ones a bit more.
It's not necessarily an opinion I share, just one I hear often. It would be an extreme upside, that's for sure.

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so he can be highly over rated?
I think Mats Sundin is an amazing players and without a doubt one of the top in the NHL. There is not one part of his game that I don't like and would of loved to seem him in a Flyers uniform. Now he's too tainted from being a Leaf for too long.

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I think all your upsides are severely stretching it.
Upsides are the best possible outcome. I believe Jeff Carter and Mike Richards both have the potential to be like Sundin and Yzerman. Both of their games are similar but I doubt either reach that level since it is their upside.

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Upsides are the best possible outcome. I believe Jeff Carter and Mike Richards both have the potential to be like Sundin and Yzerman. Both of their games are similar but I doubt either reach that level since it is their upside.
I can see the upside comparison of Carter, Sundin but I don't see the Richards, Yzerman. I have heard Richards compared to Doug Gilmour as far as possible upside. but we'll see.

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Like the realistic part ... just for fun who would you compare Rejean Beauchemin to...the guy is schedule to be at team Canada camp

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Doesn't "upside" refer to the guy improving considerably and being better than expected? Why are you getting on Easton's case for making these lofty comparisons? Nobody is saying Carter = Sundin. The point of upside is to "stretch it".

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Upsides are the best possible outcome. I believe Jeff Carter and Mike Richards both have the potential to be like Sundin and Yzerman. Both of their games are similar but I doubt either reach that level since it is their upside.
Mike Richards does't have Steve Yzerman potential.

Eric Staal hardly does.

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I think Mats Sundin is an amazing players and without a doubt one of the top in the NHL. There is not one part of his game that I don't like and would of loved to seem him in a Flyers uniform. Now he's too tainted from being a Leaf for too long.
what mats sundin are yo utalkign about? the guy doesnt back-check, with his size, he never hits, always wines, if you ask me, he's fit to be a leaf for the rest of his career

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what mats sundin are yo utalkign about? the guy doesnt back-check, with his size, he never hits, always wines, if you ask me, he's fit to be a leaf for the rest of his career
What Mats Sundin are you talking about?

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what mats sundin are yo utalkign about? the guy doesnt back-check, with his size, he never hits, always wines, if you ask me, he's fit to be a leaf for the rest of his career
Im talking about one of the most dominant players in the game today

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Mike Richards does't have Steve Yzerman potential.

Eric Staal hardly does.
That's cause Staal has Sakic potential

*If* Mike Richards finds an elite offensive game in the NHL he will be similar to Steve Yzerman. He showed great offensive skills in juniors but many project he won't be able to do the same in the NHL due to his size.

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That's cause Staal has Sakic potential

*If* Mike Richards finds an elite offensive game in the NHL he will be similar to Steve Yzerman. He showed great offensive skills in juniors but many project he won't be able to do the same in the NHL due to his size.

Sakic, Francis and Yzerman. All cut from the same mold.

Thats a HUGE "if"

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I think Mats Sundin is an amazing players and without a doubt one of the top in the NHL. There is not one part of his game that I don't like and would of loved to seem him in a Flyers uniform. Now he's too tainted from being a Leaf for too long.
His defensive play is not very good by any stretch of the imagination, and for a guy his size, he is not physical at all.

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I have heard Carter compared to Thornton, Sundin and Modano. I don't thikn he has the mean streak to be Thornton. I would rather have his ending up like Modano than Sundin, but if he turned out to be anyone of the three, it would be great news for Philly.

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Sakic, Francis and Yzerman. All cut from the same mold.

Thats a HUGE "if"
You act like Steve Yzerman dominated the OHL. In his draft year in 56 games he scored 42 goals and got 49 assists for 91 points.

In Mike Richards draft year in 67 games he scored 37 goals and got 50 assists for 87 points.

Im pretty sure the OHL is more defensive today than it was in 1983 so their accomplishments are very similar IMO.

Now looking at Yzerman's NHL career Richards will never meet that offensively. Actually the direction the NHL is going in no player may ever have better offensive numbers unless they try and bring more offense to the league. What I am saying is Mike Richards's upside is being the same type of player Yzerman was but to his own era.

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You act like Steve Yzerman dominated the OHL. In his draft year in 56 games he scored 42 goals and got 49 assists for 91 points.

In Mike Richards draft year in 67 games he scored 37 goals and got 50 assists for 87 points.

Im pretty sure the OHL is more defensive today than it was in 1983 so their accomplishments are very similar IMO.
Alexandre Daigle scored 137 points in the Q once in only 53 games. comparing jr. league stats doesn't mean anything.

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You act like Steve Yzerman dominated the OHL. In his draft year in 56 games he scored 42 goals and got 49 assists for 91 points.

In Mike Richards draft year in 67 games he scored 37 goals and got 50 assists for 87 points.

Steve Yzerman was 4th overall in 83. He was a projected superstar from the start.

Richards was 24th overall in 03. Hardly a projected superstar.

I don't see Richards upside as an Yzerman. Staal's upside is a Francis/Yzerman type and he went 2nd in the same draft as Richards.

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cool thread, an enjoyable read knowing who are future players may become.

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Steve Yzerman was 4th overall in 83. He was a projected superstar from the start.

Richards was 24th overall in 03. Hardly a projected superstar.

I don't see Richards upside as an Yzerman. Staal's upside is a Francis/Yzerman type and he went 2nd in the same draft as Richards.
Are you kidding me??? Kim Johnsson was picked in the 11th round, and Vladimir wasn't picked until the 10th. It's an indicator, and I think if Richards were to max out his potential he could be Yzerman potential. He has excellent offensive talent, excellent character and has proven his leadership skills; you put him on a second line right behind Carter and he could excell.

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Steve Yzerman was 4th overall in 83. He was a projected superstar from the start.

Richards was 24th overall in 03. Hardly a projected superstar.

I don't see Richards upside as an Yzerman. Staal's upside is a Francis/Yzerman type and he went 2nd in the same draft as Richards.
From the start so what was different between Yzerman and Richards in juniors? Same kind of goal scorer and playmaker from what the stats show. Only think I can think of is Yzerman is faster but Richards is more physical and better defensively which is more important in today's game. If it would make you happy his upside is a poor man's Yzerman

Plus Richards stock has rose a ton since 03 so don't give me the 24th overall BS

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