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04-24-2012, 03:39 PM
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How can you not be sold on him. There's only one reason for that and that's either a lack of hockey knowledge or you just haven't watched him play.
He's a great young goalie who was his team's best player in the playoffs. Would Canucks fans consider a deal like this?

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I think someone else would trade more than that. 2013 1st + Colborne/Ashton seems a lot more likely to get discussion started.
If it's a 2013 1st and Ashton....maybe.

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04-24-2012, 03:44 PM
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No kidding? Thats as bad any other Leafs-Canucks proposal Ive seen.
I think you overrate his value.

Ashton or Colborne gets you a recent 1st round prospect that have both been developing where neither looks like they'll bust and not make it to the NHL. A 2nd from Toronto has decent value.

How much more do you expect for a guy in Luongo's situation? The team doesn't have the benefit of time with him, where they can just hold out for the best deal. They also have to deal with a NTC and Luongo agreeing to the deal. And of course the long-term deal.

If you're expecting more for him, I think you'll be disappointed.

Getting a recent 1st round prospect developing towards a NHL role and a 2nd rounder is solid value for him IMO.. Not only does that boost the team's pipeline with a player that can contribute on a ELC, it doesn't bring back any bad contracts where you have to eat cap space... It gives you flexibility and a young player with good potential.

I'd be shocked if we saw much more than that for Luongo. We ain't getting the 5th pick (or TBay's 1st) or Gardiner or Connolly, etc.

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04-24-2012, 03:47 PM
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I assume you mean bad for the Nucks? I didn't propose it, i just agreed.
Hey fair enough, this is one bad offer I can't hang on you.

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I think you overrate his value.

Ashton or Colborne gets you a recent 1st round prospect that have both been developing where neither looks like they'll bust and not make it to the NHL. A 2nd from Toronto has decent value.

How much more do you expect for a guy in Luongo's situation? The team doesn't have the benefit of time with him, where they can just hold out for the best deal. They also have to deal with a NTC and Luongo agreeing to the deal. And of course the long-term deal.

If you're expecting more for him, I think you'll be disappointed.

Getting a recent 1st round prospect developing towards a NHL role and a 2nd rounder is solid value for him IMO.. Not only does that boost the team's pipeline with a player that can contribute on a ELC, it doesn't bring back any bad contracts where you have to eat cap space... It gives you flexibility and a young player with good potential.

I'd be shocked if we saw much more than that for Luongo. We ain't getting the 5th pick (or TBay's 1st) or Gardiner or Connolly, etc.
My friend...a chorus of angels are now singing HALLELUJAH!!!!!

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He's a great young goalie who was his team's best player in the playoffs. Would Canucks fans consider a deal like this?

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No.. Not for a second... I'd hang up the phone after telling you that Schneider isn't available.

I think the majority of Canucks fans are now just hoping that they can find a deal for Luongo and keep Schneider long-term.

I wouldn't consider moving Schneider until it's clear that we can't keep him and have to go with Luongo. Until that happens, you need to offer up Tavares (yea I know insane and would never happen)... Schneider is the guy I want to see us keep long-term, and outside a stupid overpayment that no team would ever offer, I do my best to lock him up and move Luongo instead.

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He's a great young goalie who was his team's best player in the playoffs. Would Canucks fans consider a deal like this?

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Garth Snow would never offer that, not in a million years. He has 3 very highly rated goalies in Poulin, Nilsson and Koskinen, the Isles couldnt get ice time for all three to develop them properly so the sent Koskinen back to finland to play regularly and then in january Poulin won AHL goalie of the month. When Montoya was hurt they brought up Poulin and then Nilsson won AHL goalie of the month for February.

Lottery If you really are an Isles fan and not a troll you need to listen when our GM speaks. at the presser for resigning Nabokov Garth said he resigned him to give our young goalies the time to develop properly. Garth has no interest in acquiring another prospect goaltender, even one as promising as Schneider who is one year away from UFA status

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04-24-2012, 05:23 PM
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I think you overrate his value.

Ashton or Colborne gets you a recent 1st round prospect that have both been developing where neither looks like they'll bust and not make it to the NHL. A 2nd from Toronto has decent value.

How much more do you expect for a guy in Luongo's situation? The team doesn't have the benefit of time with him, where they can just hold out for the best deal. They also have to deal with a NTC and Luongo agreeing to the deal. And of course the long-term deal.

If you're expecting more for him, I think you'll be disappointed.

Getting a recent 1st round prospect developing towards a NHL role and a 2nd rounder is solid value for him IMO.. Not only does that boost the team's pipeline with a player that can contribute on a ELC, it doesn't bring back any bad contracts where you have to eat cap space... It gives you flexibility and a young player with good potential.

I'd be shocked if we saw much more than that for Luongo. We ain't getting the 5th pick (or TBay's 1st) or Gardiner or Connolly, etc.
I tend to agree with this post in general, I think that TB would be willing to offer Detroit's 1st and Tyrell which IMO is a fairly comparable offer value wise.I would rather have Colborne, but I'd also rather have Detroit's 1st, so it's a bit of a toss-up. If Toronto offered Colborne and Tor 2nd, I'd be real tempted to look for more elsewhere but I would understand a deal like that.

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04-24-2012, 05:58 PM
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Garth Snow would never offer that, not in a million years. He has 3 very highly rated goalies in Poulin, Nilsson and Koskinen, the Isles couldnt get ice time for all three to develop them properly so the sent Koskinen back to finland to play regularly and then in january Poulin won AHL goalie of the month. When Montoya was hurt they brought up Poulin and then Nilsson won AHL goalie of the month for February.

Lottery If you really are an Isles fan and not a troll you need to listen when our GM speaks. at the presser for resigning Nabokov Garth said he resigned him to give our young goalies the time to develop properly. Garth has no interest in acquiring another prospect goaltender, even one as promising as Schneider who is one year away from UFA status
Koskinen isn't a highly rated prospect and relax guy. I am an Islander fan. Just a reallistic one

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04-24-2012, 06:15 PM
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He's a great young goalie who was his team's best player in the playoffs. Would Canucks fans consider a deal like this?

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yes the canucks would absolutely consider this. that being said, i think the management will choose which goalie to keep prior to engaging in serious trade talks, and its likely that the goalie to go will be luongo.

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04-24-2012, 06:17 PM
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yes the canucks would absolutely consider this. that being said, i think the management will choose which goalie to keep prior to engaging in serious trade talks, and its likely that the goalie to go will be luongo.
I think the Canucsk have had enuogh 2nd liner-potential and prospects.

If Schnieder is moved, it'll be an impact player.

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I tend to agree with this post in general, I think that TB would be willing to offer Detroit's 1st and Tyrell which IMO is a fairly comparable offer value wise.I would rather have Colborne, but I'd also rather have Detroit's 1st, so it's a bit of a toss-up. If Toronto offered Colborne and Tor 2nd, I'd be real tempted to look for more elsewhere but I would understand a deal like that.
i think the canucks will want a young defenseman from the leafs if a package deal was to go down. Judging by how leafs have managed their defense, I would think it would be franson.

i could see a deal like:

luongo, raymond
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franson, macarthur, 2nd

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04-24-2012, 06:21 PM
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Luongo instead to Toronto

Luongo is as good as gone so this thread will never happen. Expect Luongo to go to the Leafs for something of the following;
2nd rounder+
1 of Komisarek or Franson
that would be about it, they are not getting much for Luongo and the trade will happen as soon as they are able to make the move.

Mark my words, he will be traded and there won't be much coming back the other way.

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04-24-2012, 06:23 PM
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The Luongo contract is basically a 6 year deal.

The question is if luongo was a UFA this July 1st would you sign him to a 6 year deal with a cap hit of 5.3 million? Im pretty sure most fans of teams will poor goaltending would say hell yes and burke/nonis sure would. The actual salary means nothing to a team like the Leafs, in fact its an advantage to have a guy who makes more than his cap hit for them.

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Koskinen isn't a highly rated prospect and relax guy. I am an Islander fan. Just a reallistic one
not very realistic one, not when our general manager has said he is committed to our young goaltenders, What part of that indicates any interest whatsoever in acquiring soon to be UFA Schneider?

if Garth doesnt see a need to add Schneider, how much of a realistic fan can you truly be? especially when you realize Schneider can walk in one season

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