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I am reading between the lines and want to think Shero said Malkin is available...

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04-25-2012, 09:55 PM
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I don't think people realize how much of a problem this would cause if the Pens traded him. That locker room would really question management.
cliché time: one could make the argument that Sid is the head and Geno is the heart. just watching the way Neal or Letang or Staal or Crosby's face lights up when they talk about Malkin really sheds some light on how much they truly love him.

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04-25-2012, 09:59 PM
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What I gathered from his Press Conference is that he no longer committed to the 3-center mold. I also get the feeling Malkin is the odd man out...

I disagree with this so so so so so so so much.... and I cringe at trading the best player in the world.... but maybe there is something I don't know or cap reasons
Not sure exactly where you get that feeling.
Out of Wayne Gretzky, Mark Messier and Craig Mactavish, who would you say is the odd man out? Probably Messier, correct?

There is 0% chance Malkin is getting traded. Especially with Crosby still at risk of concussions.

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From Winnipeg:
Evander Kane
Blake Wheeler
Mark Scheifele
1st round pick 2012

And two of...
Carl Klingberg
Paul Postma
Arturs Kulda
Zach Redmond
Ivan Telegin


I am a HUGE Malkin fan, but no way do I even consider this. First off, Malkin wouldn't have a bona fide sniper or top line winger to play with as both Kane and Wheeler are gone and with possibly both Telegin and Klingberg gone the Jets would be bone dry as far as wing depth goes

Essentially it could be Kane, Wheeler, Scheifele, (Trouba/Dumba/Reinhart/Reilly) Telegin and Klingberg. That's too much for a team trying build it's depth through the draft and not much else left after these components get shipped out.


It's NOT going to matter anyways because the Penguins will move Staal before Malkin.

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Hemsky for Staal. Book it! YEAH BABY! YEAH!!!!!

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Malkin is not going anywhere.

Agreed.

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Yes. It it..and stop counting the 26th pick as a real first rounder
you have no idea how to value players. I wouldnt trade that much from a van perspective.

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I don't think people realize how much of a problem this would cause if the Pens traded him. That locker room would really question management.
Which is why it's not going to happen.

If anything, Staal is the odd man out.

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Hemsky for Staal. Book it! YEAH BABY! YEAH!!!!!
Add that 1st OA and you got a deal. We'll give you Martin and Orpik too.

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Not sure exactly where you get that feeling.
Out of Wayne Gretzky, Mark Messier and Craig Mactavish, who would you say is the odd man out? Probably Messier, correct?

There is 0% chance Malkin is getting traded. Especially with Crosby still at risk of concussions.
Actually it was Gretzky.

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04-26-2012, 12:31 AM
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I'm just wondering, how come NO ONE is throwing out the possibility that Crosby will be the odd man out?
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Not saying he WILL be gone, and I realize it's very unlikely overall. But Shero would be stupid not to run through this kind of scenario, and realize that, depending on what happens (ie. Crosby's price during bargaining is too high), it MAY make the most sense. Imagine what Crosby at the deadline would fetch in return... then consider the Pens would STILL have Malkin and Staal as their #1-2 centres, as good a combo as any in the league. With the return they might get from trading a soon-to-be-UFA (and concussion-prone) Sid, they'd be set as a top contender for years!
I agree with the notion of considering all options, but, I don't think you EVER get the value in return for a player like Crosby. He's the best player in the game AND the most competitive and he's 24. No matter how good the assets look on paper (on screen?), trading an elite player rarely (if EVER) results in a good deal for the team moving the player. (Lindros-Forsberg, Shanahan-Pronger -- those are rare)

This applies to Malkin as well.

Elite players are differentiators. Game-changers. Even 3-4 "great" players isn't the same value.

The Pens aren't broken, they need some minor adjusting. They had a bad series, got bad goaltending, took too many penalties and played with no discipline. They're still a top team in the league and I'm sure Shero won't do anything drastic.

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04-26-2012, 12:40 AM
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Whats the matter with all these boring proposals here is a great one

to pens
kesler
jensen
raymond
schrodher
2 first picks

to canucks
malkin
second round pick

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04-26-2012, 12:46 AM
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Whats the matter with all these boring proposals here is a great one

to pens
kesler
jensen
raymond
schrodher
2 first picks

to canucks
malkin
second round pick

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04-26-2012, 12:48 AM
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Absolutely no reason to trade Geno. I do think Staal's future is in the air though.

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04-26-2012, 04:43 AM
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Trading Eberle and the Nuge for Malkin is a terrible trade for Edmonton. I'd much rather have the two of them, The Nuge might even be as good of a center in time. I don't think Chicago would trade Toews and Kane for Malkin, do you?

No trade in NHL history has ever resembled the one you are suggesting. What i offered is a package better than what Gretzky got. I know money was part of that deal, but Malkin is not Gretzky and like i said the package is better. When LA traded for Gretzky they refused to give up Robitallie, teams don't trade multiple franchise players for a better franchise player, and they won't rob peter to pay paul. Paajarvi, Lander isn't an insult and Belanger is a good vet, you're out to lunch. As another person posted, what did Pronger go for in the midst of being the most dominant defenseman in the league? The Oilers got Lupul who isn't even close to Yakupov in value, Smid who is very comparable in value to Paajarvi, a low 1st comprable in value to Lander, a 1st conditional on Anaheim making the finals (so the 29th/30th pick) which is very comprable to the 32nd, and a 2nd round pick which i comprable in value to Belanger. Edmonton is offering a better package for Malkin than what they got for Pronger, who was comparable in value to Malkin. Yakupov is a huge huge asset to be giving up.

And for the record i wouldn't move The Nuge, who is 19 and has a caphit of 3mill and is going to be a superstar, for Malkin who is much older and more expensive. Longterm i think the Nuge will be as valuable, i genuinly believe he is going to have a Joe Sakic level career.
Is Yakupov generational talent or what? I am not undervaluing Yakupov, but I think he's gonna be next Hall..potentional-wise!

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Joffrey Lupul
Ladislav Šmíd
30th overall pick
23rd overall pick
53rd overall pick

I'd don't think a deal around Yakupov + 1st + ? +? would be THAT terrible compared to that. For a start you free up $8.7m in cap to go after players to plug holes. $8.7m worth of holes plugged + Yakupov + 1st + ? + ? would still be a good team. Losing Malkin would hurt a hell of a lot but that wouldn't be the worst deal in the history of the league and may even help the Penguins be a more rounded team - at least until Crosby gets his bell rung again at which point it is game over.

I still like the Penguins big 3C idea, though if Yakupov was on the table, Staal for Yakupov makes a lot of sense for both sides IMHO.

PS don't trade Malkin or Staal to the Oilers mmmkk thanks.
Don't worry! Malkin won't be traded

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Hemsky for Staal. Book it! YEAH BABY! YEAH!!!!!
You can keep your 5.5M winger for next two years

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He would be idiot, If he traded Malkin now, because of Crosby's injuries and Staal will be UFA. Malkin is not available, just use common sense.

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Absolutely no reason to trade Geno. I do think Staal's future is in the air though.
Let him go and get more depth on wings. Crosby and Malkin could use better wingers.

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Hemsky for Staal. Book it! YEAH BABY! YEAH!!!!!
Hemsky is overated, Staal is underated. This has no chance at all.

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If one of the three centers leaves Pittsburgh, it will be Jordan Staal.

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Staal is out not Malkin

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maybe to get some people to stop the 30 goals part?
First, do you seriously think that this is true level of Pens' defence? I think that it was a fluke series. Second, yeah, I guess, it's the best option to trade league MVP and keep the guys to blame.

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What I gathered from his Press Conference is that he no longer committed to the 3-center mold. I also get the feeling Malkin is the odd man out...
So, let me see if I got this right: U heard that Shero is no longer committed to the 3-center mod, and that made you think that regning Art Ross winner, most likely the Hart and Lindsay winner this season, former art Ross and Conn Smythe winner is the player that Shero wants to get rid of? Brilliant!

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Toronto 1st in 2012 for Jordan Staal. Just a feeling...

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If you read a little more between the lines you can see that Shero is going to trade him to Toronto for an 8th round pick.

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Correct. I don't know why anyone would jump to the conclusion that Geno is the one that's on his way out.
There are 3 reasons why Ray Shero should consider trading Malkin, but he definitely wont be traded. The GM with the sack big enough to move the MVP hasn't been born yet let alone hired.

Anyways, my 3 reasons:

1. Bigger return.
2. Sensible power play.
3. More cap savings/flexibility.

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Malkin wont be traded. No way. If he was though I'd offer Kessel, 5th overall, + 2013 1st.

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