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I am reading between the lines and want to think Shero said Malkin is available...

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04-25-2012, 10:18 AM
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Stepan, Staal, J.T Miller + 1st + something else for Malkin?

With that said I really doubt Malkin is getting traded. Would probably be Staal if a trade will get done. You would be stupid to trade a player that is a perennial Art Ross candidate (when healthy).
He's not getting traded, and the offer isn't close (no offense intended, because I know you're just doing it as a '**** and giggles' thing, but offering less than what Columbus was asking for Nash is more ***** than giggles ).

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haha nice, oh well fun to speculate. Thats also from the perspective if the Penguins who knows if Staal and/or Malkin are fully happy with their roles and would like a change

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It would be, but I think the return for Malkin will be more than that if he's traded (which, again, I can't fathom happening).
how much more would you expect? I don't think many teams could top that without doing a full gut and rebuild around Malkin

Maybe St Louis like people have mentioned but I don't think they include Pieterangelo which leaves prospect wingers, talented Cs that have been converted to wingers and shattenkirk

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It'd probably be ~Backes + Shattenkirk + Tarasenko then. I wasn't even saying I would move Pietrangelo, I was just saying that some of the earlier proposals were garbage (Oshie + Shattenkirk + Rattie). Any team that's trading for Malkin is going to HAVE to include either their top D, top prospect, or top forward. You can't really throw proposals out there that are Top 6 Forward A + Top 4 Defence B + secondary prospect and expect to get... a Hart trophy winner / top 5 centre in the league.
I was thinking Oshie, Stewart, Schwarz, Shattenkirk or something along those lines.

Again, though, I keep going back to the idea that the Blues could give up all that and still be better than they are right now. I'm telling you, Malkin + Hitch (the system and the style) would be a match made in heaven.

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What about

Backes
Pietrangelo
Rattie
Finally, someone's got the value right.. I think it would be + 1st rounder, but all in all, great.

InB4 Blues fans sayin hell no, he's not worth it!


People need to realize, that asking price for Nash, during the deadline was top-6 forward + top prospect + 2 firsts..

for Suter - top-6 forward, A-prospect, B-prospect, 1st rounder - and he is rental!

I don't know why people in here are shocked with some proposed asking prices..

top-line forward + top-pairing young d-man + top prospect + 1st rounder

Either you want arguably the best center in the league, franchise elite forward, signed for 2 more years (discount contract), conn smythe, two-time art ross, hart trophy(probably) winner, 50 goals scorer, SC champ, and still before his prime at the age of 26, or just keep your important players.

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Great, now we get to read a bunch of retarded Malkin proposals all summer. Thanks OP.

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He basically said that changes are going to happen this offseason.... HOWEVER

He said he likes the coaching staff ~
He said he likes the defense ~
"he likes" thats the kiss of death.....you how the gm says he's lkies and is backing the coach right before he fires him.

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Gunnarsson/Shenn
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I figure Colborne because he could slide into 3rd/4th Center after Staal moves up. Either Defenseman.

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haha nice, oh well fun to speculate. Thats also from the perspective if the Penguins who knows if Staal and/or Malkin are fully happy with their roles and would like a change



how much more would you expect? I don't think many teams could top that without doing a full gut and rebuild around Malkin

Maybe St Louis like people have mentioned but I don't think they include Pieterangelo which leaves prospect wingers, talented Cs that have been converted to wingers and shattenkirk
I think Shero would want more than Nash + 2nd overall for Malkin. How much more? I don't think Columbus has the pieces that fit ideally for the Pens without gutting their team completely.

That said, yes, St Louis would be the suitor. They've got so many talented C/W types, so many top offensive prospects that they could give up three of them and Shattenkirk and not miss a beat (again, I think giving up that much, which would sting, and getting Malkin makes St Louis better . . . it may even make the Pens better given all the young talent coming back if Crosby stays healthy and Staal is that impact 2C).

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04-25-2012, 10:24 AM
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Great, now we get to read a bunch of retarded Malkin proposals all summer. Thanks OP.
Simple formula for your reference:

Pens win cup = No Malkin proposals
Pens don't win cup = Summer of retarded Malkin proposals

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04-25-2012, 10:25 AM
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He can't just shift one of them to the wing...?

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Ennis/Hodgson, McNabb, Armia and Buffalo 1st, Nashville 1st

or

Pomminville, McNabb, Armia, Nashville 1st

or

Vanek, McNabb, Armia, Buffalo 1st

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Roy, Vanek, McNabb, Armia, Leopold/Regehr and Buffalo 1st for Malkin and Orpik

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04-25-2012, 10:29 AM
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He's not getting traded, and the offer isn't close (no offense intended, because I know you're just doing it as a '**** and giggles' thing, but offering less than what Columbus was asking for Nash is more ***** than giggles ).
Yeah I do not expect Malkin to get traded so it's not like I took it that serious . Haha no this is basically what they wanted for Nash. Although that'd be a overpayment for Nash.


Malkin is great but he is most likely not on the tradingblock and we would have to gut our team for him. I rather trade for Marc's brother.


Stepan + 1st + prospect for Staal? Good value. Stepan is good for 50ish points and he has only been in the league for 2 years. Alot of potential. He would be even better on a team that attack and cycle it more than us.

Staal doesn't have alot of time left on his contract deal.

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04-25-2012, 10:34 AM
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Simple formula for your reference:

Pens win cup = No Malkin proposals
Pens don't win cup = Summer of retarded Malkin proposals
or just don't read these threads....

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Kessel, 4th overall, Schenn, Conditional 2013 1st (Pitt gets 1st rounder if Leafs make playoffs)

For Malkin

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Kessel, 4th overall, Schenn, Conditional 2013 1st (Pitt gets 1st rounder if Leafs make playoffs)

For Malkin
O'k, I'll try this again: Think of what you think would be a 'fair offer' for Crosby. That's what Shero will want for Malkin.

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He didn't say this. The OP is just wishing he did.

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Yeah I do not expect Malkin to get traded so it's not like I took it that serious . Haha no this is basically what they wanted for Nash. Although that'd be a overpayment for Nash.


Malkin is great but he is most likely not on the tradingblock and we would have to gut our team for him. I rather trade for Marc's brother.


Stepan + 1st + prospect for Staal? Good value. Stepan is good for 50ish points and he has only been in the league for 2 years. Alot of potential. He would be even better on a team that attack and cycle it more than us.

Staal doesn't have alot of time left on his contract deal.
I love Stepan, but honestly, Shero won't trade Staal within the conference, let alone division.

The very last thing he wants to see is, playing Staal against Malkin or Crosby for years to come

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Trade Malkin? It is not yet certain that Crosby is going to be the stud he used to be. It would be negligent of the Penguins to trade Malkin at this point.

I could see them moving Staal though, if they got a great D Man back.

If the Pens really were to move Staal I'd hope they could come to some sort of an agreement with the Ducks. Staal would be gold for us. Of course this would probably cost us something along of Bobby Ryan. And I can't see the Pens going after another Forward, when they have such deficiencies in their defense though. However I can't think of a D Man a franchise is willing to offer for Staal which wouldn't destroy their defense (for instance Weber; his loss would make Nashville a bottom feeder again)

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Yakupov, Belanger, Paajarvi, Lander, 32nd + 62nd picks
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Malkin

Yakupov is the principle asset, and is possibly the best one likely to be avaliable when you factor in caphit and that they will own his rights for a longtime if they so wish. In Belanger Pittsburgh gets a solid 3rd line center. Paajarvi gives them a very good wing prospect. Defensively Lander is a possible longterm replacement for Staal's job on the 3rd line, and he should be nice and groomed for it around the time Belanger's deal is up. A high second and 3rd should get Pittsburgh into the 1st round if they want.


Belanger, Paajarvi, Jones, Lander,
32nd pick, 1st+2nd(Ana) picks in 2013
for
Staal

Jones offers them well needed depth on the wing. Four high picks are movable assets, and offer a good chance of yielding multiple NHLers.

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How anyone thinks that Malkin is the odd man out of our 3C model is laughable. There's no way that Malkin get's traded before Staal, no way at all.

What would the point be of trading him as well, to save cap? Get rid of Martin + Orpik and bring in Despres and a FA.

Not to mention that he didn't actually say that the 3C model was being brought in question, just that they were going to look at it.

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04-25-2012, 10:57 AM
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Yakupov, Belanger, Paajarvi, Lander, 32nd + 62nd picks
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Malkin

Yakupov is the principle asset, and is possibly the best one likely to be avaliable when you factor in caphit and that they will own his rights for a longtime if they so wish. In Belanger Pittsburgh gets a solid 3rd line center. Paajarvi gives them a very good wing prospect. Defensively Lander is a possible longterm replacement for Staal's job on the 3rd line, and he should be nice and groomed for it around the time Belanger's deal is up. A high second and 3rd should get Pittsburgh into the 1st round if they want.


Belanger, Paajarvi, Jones, Lander,
32nd pick, 1st+2nd(Ana) picks in 2013
for
Staal

Jones offers them well needed depth on the wing. Four high picks are movable assets, and offer a good chance of yielding multiple NHLers.

Awful... Yakupov has great potential. MPS is overrated heavily (I say this and I'm swedish. followed him alot). The rest of them are scrubs/bottom 6 forwards.

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Even if Malkin was available, which is not the case, who in is right mind will empty his team to have him? Sure the guy is superb, but he will fetch high price... and I don't see anyone that stupid to pay whatever is worth. It's not worth it if he's the only good player left on your team.

Everyone will wait, la Luongo, when the Penguins won't have any choice to trade/let go one of their superstars for next to nothing to fit under the cap.

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he says he's done with the 3 center mold and you choose Malkin out of the 3?

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Shero isnt dumb enough to let a pure talent like Malkin go.

Staal will be long gone before Malkin.

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Yakupov, Belanger, Paajarvi, Lander, 32nd + 62nd picks
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Malkin
LOL, counter..

Despres, Vitale, Jeffrey, Kennedy, 2nd + 3rd rounder
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Eberle

Deal?


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