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04-27-2012, 11:04 PM
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Wont argue with you on that one, if Sutter wants to sign here you make it happen whatever it takes. I just don't see it, and if it's not Sutter I'd rather stand pat with the exception of Stuart in, Murray out.
Of course, it's tough to see. Marquee free agents haven't signed here and the only one who came close was Scott Niedermayer. I wouldn't be upset at just moving out Murray for Stuart but I wouldn't be against making the tough decision to part with Boyle even with what he means to this team if it is a very good deal.

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It has little to no chance of happening, but I agree.
So you're saying there's a chance?

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Someone mentioned Jason Garrison, I really think we should go after him. Underrated D-man, scored 16 goals, and pretty sound defensively. Probably won't be too expensive, around 3.5 mil, 3 years should do the trick.
I think you'll be very surprised as to what he gets on the market. Probably looking at 4.5-5 mil.

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04-27-2012, 11:23 PM
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Move Murray out, bring in a guy like Stuart, and that's all we need on the blueline. Burns improved defensively dramatically over the course of the season, as with Braun, and I have a feeling we'll see a much improved Demers and a returned-to-the-mean Niemi. We were tied 8th for GAA this season with two stingy teams like Nashville and New jersey, even with our atrocious PK. We're fine defensively. We gave up only 2 more 5-on-5 goals than the Rangers, who's defense is lauded, and they have a Vezina-nominee as a goaltender.

The offense is what needs to be addressed, specifically our depth. I like our top-6, even if it stays as it is. What we need is a tweener, whether that becomes Wingels, or a UFA signing, a small trade, parts of a Clowe trade, or a surprise player. The biggest problem was never replacing Seto, even though the Burns trade was a net win. Added to the fact that Havlat was injured or snake-bit most of the season, and we really struggle offensively. We were only 17th in GFA 5-on-5, which is unacceptable considering the talent we have in the top-6.

Last season we had 7 20 goal-scorers. This season we have 6 10 goal-scorers. This season we had 61.2% of our goals scored by the top-6 (Thornton, Marleau, Couture, Pavelski, Clowe, and Havlat), and I feel comfortable saying it would have been close to 70% if not for Havlat and Clowe's injuries. And if you add in Burns and Boyle, that would be close to 80% of our goals scored by 8 people. That's stupid. In fact, 42% of our goals were scored by three people.

We don't need a Suter on this team. We don't even need a Parise (although I'd take him ), we need a Nashville-type forward depth, even if we have to sacrifice a superior player in Clowe (or god forbid, Pavelski) to get it.

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04-27-2012, 11:31 PM
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I'm completely against bringing in Stuart now that I hear from Wings fans that he doesn't really play the left side. Assuming Murray is moved that gives us Boyle, Burns, Demers, Braun and Stuart on the right side, and Vlasic on the left. Not gonna work. We need a 2-way left side d-man. Stuart is not that.

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04-27-2012, 11:52 PM
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I'm completely against bringing in Stuart now that I hear from Wings fans that he doesn't really play the left side. Assuming Murray is moved that gives us Boyle, Burns, Demers, Braun and Stuart on the right side, and Vlasic on the left. Not gonna work. We need a 2-way left side d-man. Stuart is not that.
Good point. I think allot of us, myself included, have interest Stuart just
because of his comments about living in the area and being open to a return.
Perhaps we all should look a little harder/be more creative as armchair GMs.

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Good point. I think allot of us, myself included, have interest Stuart just
because of his comments about living in the area and being open to a return.
Perhaps we all should look a little harder/be more creative as armchair GMs.
He also hasn't played very well all season long. If he can find his game again and be a physical force then I wouldn't mind him being in teal again. If its the disinterested pylon that I saw against the Preds well id rather have the passionate pylon(Murray).

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Good point. I think allot of us, myself included, have interest Stuart just
because of his comments about living in the area and being open to a return.
Perhaps we all should look a little harder/be more creative as armchair GMs.
Obviously, the ultimate target is Barret Jackman. He's look great next to Boyle or Demers. But I'm sure he'll re-sign with the Blues, considering that their Cup window is just opening.

Vlasic-Burns
Jackman-Boyle
Braun-Demers

would be extremely sexy, not to mention it would take away an important cog in the Blue defense (crippling Shattenkirk's crutch). Hell, depending on the Cap/CBA, I'd be willing to overpay Jackman if he gets to free agency.

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Obviously, the ultimate target is Barret Jackman. He's look great next to Boyle or Demers. But I'm sure he'll re-sign with the Blues, considering that their Cup window is just opening.

Vlasic-Burns
Jackman-Boyle
Braun-Demers

would be extremely sexy, not to mention it would take away an important cog in the Blue defense (crippling Shattenkirk's crutch). Hell, depending on the Cap/CBA, I'd be willing to overpay Jackman if he gets to free agency.
I wouldn't mind him at all.

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I'm completely against bringing in Stuart now that I hear from Wings fans that he doesn't really play the left side. Assuming Murray is moved that gives us Boyle, Burns, Demers, Braun and Stuart on the right side, and Vlasic on the left. Not gonna work. We need a 2-way left side d-man. Stuart is not that.
We very much need a shut down pair. Vlasic-Stuart playing PK #1 and the majority of minutes against the other team's top line 5 on 5 would make a big impact.

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Obviously, the ultimate target is Barret Jackman. He's look great next to Boyle or Demers. But I'm sure he'll re-sign with the Blues, considering that their Cup window is just opening.

Vlasic-Burns
Jackman-Boyle
Braun-Demers

would be extremely sexy, not to mention it would take away an important cog in the Blue defense (crippling Shattenkirk's crutch). Hell, depending on the Cap/CBA, I'd be willing to overpay Jackman if he gets to free agency.
I'd take Jackman also.

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We very much need a shut down pair. Vlasic-Stuart playing PK #1 and the majority of minutes against the other team's top line 5 on 5 would make a big impact.
A negative impact. Burns-Vlasic would be much better.

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We very much need a shut down pair. Vlasic-Stuart playing PK #1 and the majority of minutes against the other team's top line 5 on 5 would make a big impact.
Hell no. I trust Burns in defensive situations more than Stuart. Defensively, it'd go Vlasic, Burns, Stuart/Braun, Boyle, Demers.

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I'd take Jackman also.
Unfortunately, I doubt he leaves the Blues. He's played his whole damn career there.

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Meh, still prefer Garrison if possible. Stud defensively with 16 goals this year? Booming shot from the point too. Would drastically help our PP.

Vlasic - Burns
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I'm completely against bringing in Stuart now that I hear from Wings fans that he doesn't really play the left side. Assuming Murray is moved that gives us Boyle, Burns, Demers, Braun and Stuart on the right side, and Vlasic on the left. Not gonna work. We need a 2-way left side d-man. Stuart is not that.
Imo, I think the Sharks would be good to create some balance on their blue line. They are very heavy on the right with PMD and very heavy on the left with stay-at-homers. Putting a stay-at-home on the right and a puck-mover on the left would help considerably.

If they can sign a Matt Carle instead of getting Stuart, I'd be for it. Or if they could find a trade that addresses it, that's fine too. However, if Stuart is the only reasonable option to join us, I think the team has to make it work and move what is necessary to do so. Nothing big since it is just Brad Stuart but maybe one of Braun or Demers for a natural left-side PMD to achieve that balance.

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Are you all really comfortable with Demers - Braun as a pairing? I really am not, due to their lack of experience as well as being not as complementary as players.

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Meh, still prefer Garrison if possible. Stud defensively with 16 goals this year? Booming shot from the point too. Would drastically help our PP.

Vlasic - Burns
Garrison - Boyle
Demers - Braun

Garrison is going to cash in.

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Are you all really comfortable with Demers - Braun as a pairing? I really am not, due to their lack of experience as well as being not as complementary as players.
It really isn't that bad during the season but they just won't match up in the playoffs.

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Meh, still prefer Garrison if possible. Stud defensively with 16 goals this year? Booming shot from the point too. Would drastically help our PP.

Vlasic - Burns
Garrison - Boyle
Demers - Braun

Garrison is going to get paid the most after Suter, methinks.

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Are you all really comfortable with Demers - Braun as a pairing? I really am not, due to their lack of experience as well as being not as complementary as players.
I am. As long as we get a defensively responsible partner for Boyle so the two youngsters can play very sheltered minutes. Besides, Demers and Vlasic actually played shut-down minutes two seasons ago after they were paired together. Demers is capable of more than he's showed us this season.

In a dream world, we sign both Carle and Stuart and roll with the single best defense I have ever seen.

Vlasic-Burns
Carle-Stuart
Braun-Boyle/Demers

Trade Boyle or Demers for a young forward. Boom. Team fixed.

Not like we're getting Carle, but wouldn't that be awesome.

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Garrison is going to get paid the most after Suter, methinks.



I am. As long as we get a defensively responsible partner for Boyle so the two youngsters can play very sheltered minutes. Besides, Demers and Vlasic actually played shut-down minutes two seasons ago after they were paired together. Demers is capable of more than he's showed us this season.

In a dream world, we sign both Carle and Stuart and roll with the single best defense I have ever seen.

Vlasic-Burns
Carle-Stuart
Braun-Boyle/Demers

Trade Boyle or Demers for a young forward. Boom. Team fixed.

Not like we're getting Carle, but wouldn't that be awesome.
A lot of people will feel like we're regressing by bringing both in even though both players have changed dramatically since leaving San Jose.

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Garrison is going to cash in.
I'm aware of that. Figure he gets $4.5-5M. Subtract Murray, White and Vandermeer and that's $4.5M off the books. Add a #7 for cheap and we're in the same place more or less. Not to mention any moves at forward that could potentially save cap space too if necessary. Adding Garrison is very doable.


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A lot of people will feel like we're regressing by bringing both in even though both players have changed dramatically since leaving San Jose.
Regressing? Carle>Murray and Stuart>White... Plus we get our LH-PMD. Fixes all the problems.

Yes, Stuart's regressed and Carle isn't a top-2 defenseman (although he can be worst case), but I don't see how that isn't an upgrade on last season.

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Regressing? Carle>Murray and Stuart>White... Plus we get our LH-PMD. Fixes all the problems.

Yes, Stuart's regressed and Carle isn't a top-2 defenseman (although he can be worst case), but I don't see how that isn't an upgrade on last season.
I mean regress in terms of going backwards as a team since we already had those two long ago. lol

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I mean regress in terms of going backwards as a team since we already had those two long ago. lol
Oh. Haha I guess I see what you mean.

But remember, this is my dream world. In reality, I doubt either will be signed.

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Logan Couture ($2.875m) / Joe Thornton ($7.000m) / Tommy Wingels ($1.000m)
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Doug would be a terrible GM not to try his best to sign Carle. Given the Chicago mold. A solid D is the best thing for Niemi. Also our top 6 would be a lot better if they had better outlet passes. Something Carle does quite well.

But, I think he's going to another team. So it's all meaningless.

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I really think the guy for us is Tim Gleason!

No one else a believer?

Vlasic - Burns
Boyle - Braun
Gleason - Demers

Or any variation of that


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