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All-Purpose Luongo Thread - Part V

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If they start Schneider after Luongo was the only guy to give an effort, I think Luongo has played his last game in Vancouver. I also think that's what Gillis and AV probably want moving forward, so it would be a win-win for the franchise, I guess.

I think it's unfortunate, but I also think AV has always had Luongo as his own personal scapegoat (he sure doesn't defend him like most coaches with a HOF goalie would) for his inability to get this team where it needs to be.

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If they start Schneider after Luongo was the only guy to give an effort, I think Luongo has played his last game in Vancouver. I also think that's what Gillis and AV probably want moving forward, so it would be a win-win for the franchise, I guess.

I think it's unfortunate, but I also think AV has always had Luongo as his own personal scapegoat (he sure doesn't defend him like most coaches with a HOF goalie would) for his inability to get this team where it needs to be.
I tend to agree with you. He has never had much support from AV, at least compared to what I've seen from other coaches for their #1 goalie, and benching him after he's been the best Canuck is the equivalent of asking him for a trade.

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I tend to agree with you. He has never had much support from AV, at least compared to what I've seen from other coaches for their #1 goalie, and benching him after he's been the best Canuck is the equivalent of asking him for a trade.
Yes, if they go with Schneider that's how I would read it. There are a lot of reasons to go in the direction of Schneider (age, contract flexibility, etc.), but this would be a pretty pathetic way to do it in my opinion.

In a market like Vancouver I think the Canucks would benefit from a coach that would stand up for his players more. I actually really wanted the Canucks to fire AV after the Chicago series two years ago and hire Torts. I think Torts has his warts, but I really like the guy. One second he'll be ripping his players and holding them accountable, but if someone else does it he's at their throat defending his guys to the death. In a market like Vancouver that plays and plays large.

Guess we'll see what happens. Based on all the "gut feelings" from reporters though, I have to think they have heard that there is a probably goaltending change. If there isn't, I hope it pisses Luongo off and he keeps up his solid effort.

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I said a few weeks ago that they've been setting this up all season but we have to wait and see who plays first.

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AV has made his decision on who's starting but hasn't told them yet. Interesting phrase. I can't imagine he'd make that comment if Luongo was starting, but I guess we'll find out.


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doesn't really matter what "AV wants going forward", if we don't come back to win this series, he'd probably be shipped out before luongo

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Luongo is a good goalie- not a great goalie. Does not make the saves he needs to when he needs to enough of the time. Has some great games- blown many when it's on the line many years in a row. Bottom line- he needs to go or Gillis and/or Vigneault needs to go.

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That's a stupid comment. Luongo's been our best player these 2 games, and he's been our best player all year.
Without him we don't have a 2nd presidents trophy, and we lose the first 2 games by a lot more than we did.

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I said a few weeks ago that they've been setting this up all season but we have to wait and see who plays first.
Setting what up? Losing the first two games with Luongo so that they can come back with Schneider and win the series?

Highly doubt the players or management decided to purposely lose so they could run Luongo out of town.

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Luongo is a good goalie- not a great goalie. Does not make the saves he needs to when he needs to enough of the time. Has some great games- blown many when it's on the line many years in a row. Bottom line- he needs to go or Gillis and/or Vigneault needs to go.
Not a fan of watching the games I see? Luongo has made plenty of big saves to keep us in the game

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Luongo is a good goalie- not a great goalie. Does not make the saves he needs to when he needs to enough of the time. Has some great games- blown many when it's on the line many years in a row. Bottom line- he needs to go or Gillis and/or Vigneault needs to go.
hes actually a pretty great goalie. perhaps you should rephrase

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You know its a terrible situation where even I'm feeling bad for Luongo.

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hes actually a pretty great goalie. perhaps you should rephrase
Rephrasing- he's been great at times- but he has faltered in the playoffs too often. Time to go with Schneider. Every goalie gives up bad goals every one. The problem I see with Luongo is every year he hasn't been what they needed him to be. Some real stinker games. He is well paid to win. He's a nice guy for sure. I just think Schneider gives the Canucks their best chance to win a Cup. Luongo's had his chances. He certainly isn't stealing wins.

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That's a stupid comment. Luongo's been our best player these 2 games, and he's been our best player all year.
Without him we don't have a 2nd presidents trophy, and we lose the first 2 games by a lot more than we did.
I didn't see him as our best player all year- and not in game 2.

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Let's look at Schneider Vs. Luongo.
55 games Luongo 127 goals against 2.41 ave. 31 wins .919 %
33 Schneider 60 goals against 1.96 ave. 20 wins .937 %.
I'd rather keep Schneider. We will regret it if we don't.

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That's a stupid comment. Luongo's been our best player these 2 games, and he's been our best player all year.
Without him we don't have a 2nd presidents trophy, and we lose the first 2 games by a lot more than we did.
Why does everyone keep saying this? Game 1 - absolutely. Game 2 - no. Put the exact same goalie on both teams in Game 2 and the outcome is the same or better for the Canucks.

As for the regular season, that's another bold statement to make, given Luongo's usual horrendous start and Schneider's consistent outperformance. 12th and 15th in the league in GAA and SV% is average. Maybe an increased workload if Schneider was the starter would impact his performance, but maybe it wouldn't. To say Luongo is the reason we won the President's Trophy is funny. He was a key component, but not the only reason. Various members of the team stepped up at different times, including Schneider, Sedin, Higgins, and the defense. The trophy was earned as a team.

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Not a fan of watching the games I see? Luongo has made plenty of big saves to keep us in the game
10 great saves don't make up for one bad goal in hockey. He's let in 3 in this series.

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10 great saves don't make up for one bad goal in hockey. He's let in 3 in this series.
I honestly don't care who plays, I just want to win. If luongo plays game 3 and does well but they lose, you have to try Cory in game 4 just to try and wake the team up.

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It might not be completely accurate, but when they're on the same team comparing stats as well as their play and composure on the ice is probably a safe way to go. Watching all their games, I think virtually everyone (except y2kcanucks) would say that either both goalies have looked equally good throughout the year, or Schneider has looked better.

Luongo hasn't been bad this year - he's been relatively solid. Schneider has been spectacular and more consistent. Bottom line - he lets in almost 0.5 goals per game less than Luongo, his SV% is .018 higher than Luongo and his winning % is 69% compared to Luongo's 58%.

For whatever reason (he's better, healthier, team plays better in front of him, etc. etc.) Schneider has shown over the last two years that he gives his team a better chance to win than Luongo. This is not disputable.

We need a win. Isn't it time we play the odds?

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It might not be completely accurate, but when they're on the same team comparing stats as well as their play and composure on the ice is probably a safe way to go. Watching all their games, I think virtually everyone (except y2kcanucks) would say that either both goalies have looked equally good throughout the year, or Schneider has looked better.

Luongo hasn't been bad this year - he's been relatively solid. Schneider has been spectacular and more consistent. Bottom line - he lets in almost 0.5 goals per game less than Luongo, his SV% is .018 higher than Luongo and his winning % is 69% compared to Luongo's 58%.

For whatever reason (he's better, healthier, team plays better in front of him, etc. etc.) Schneider has shown over the last two years that he gives his team a better chance to win than Luongo. This is not disputable.

We need a win. Isn't it time we play the odds?
Exactly. Time to play Schneider. I don't question Luongo is a nice guy or he is a good goalie- but great? He makes great saves, so do all goalies. He lets in bad ones Schneider does too so do all goalies but stats don't lie. Luongo is paid to win- he hasn't so far after a number of playoff years with the Canucks and isn't stealing games so time for change. I can see a future Stanley Cup with Schneider. I don't see that with Luongo.

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It might not be completely accurate, but when they're on the same team comparing stats as well as their play and composure on the ice is probably a safe way to go. Watching all their games, I think virtually everyone (except y2kcanucks) would say that either both goalies have looked equally good throughout the year, or Schneider has looked better.

Luongo hasn't been bad this year - he's been relatively solid. Schneider has been spectacular and more consistent. Bottom line - he lets in almost 0.5 goals per game less than Luongo, his SV% is .018 higher than Luongo and his winning % is 69% compared to Luongo's 58%.

For whatever reason (he's better, healthier, team plays better in front of him, etc. etc.) Schneider has shown over the last two years that he gives his team a better chance to win than Luongo. This is not disputable.

We need a win. Isn't it time we play the odds?
As has been said before... this is Bledsoe/Brady, incumbent star OR up and coming star who could just be better.

Bledsoe was injured/ineffective and Brady came in, won the playoff game and went on to lead the Patriots to the Super Bowl. Bledsoe was traded in the off season and Brady has gone on to establish himself as potentially the greatest NFL QB of all time.

So... is Schneider Tom Brady? Not sure...

It's a helluva gamble though as the connotations brought on by playing him get really convoluted on both sides, good and bad.

I still think Luongo starts tomorrow...

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If Luongo was to make a list of teams that he would be willing to be traded to, what do you guys think that list would be?

Panthers
Lightning

I'm not really sure what the list would look like to be honest, I'm just guessing, anyone else have any potential team lists he might make?

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If Luongo was to make a list of teams that he would be willing to be traded to, what do you guys think that list would be?

Panthers
Lightning

I'm not really sure what the list would look like to be honest, I'm just guessing, anyone else have any potential team lists he might make?
Need to ask his wife.

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