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04-26-2012, 02:51 PM
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Gunnarson
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3rd 2012

What do you guys think ?
Brutal comes to mind. Also:

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04-26-2012, 03:39 PM
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Gunnarson
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3rd 2012

What do you guys think ?
Terrible. The price for Kane is at least two firsts, or the equivalent value in forwards. That package doesn't get you Kane alone, much less Kane + 9th overall pick. A roughly equivalent counterproposal would be Kessel + 1st 2012 for Little + Hainsey + Clitsome + 2nd + 3rd. See how ridiculous that is?

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Kulimen, Schenn, Gunnarson, and a 2nd and 3rd round pick in 2012 is worth much, much more than the 9th overall. If you wouldn't make that trade as a Jets fan, I really have no idea what to tell you.
You're ignoring the concept of team need entirely. Schenn and Gunnarson have decent trade value in theory, but the Jets don't need them. Defense is the one position where the Jets have depth. They have almost nothing at forward, particularly on RW - after Wheeler they had Wellwood, who's now a UFA, and Miettinen, who had 5 goals in just over half a season. Trading Kane would result in a similar situation on the LW with Ladd being the only decent player left at that position. In terms of pure hypothetical value, ignoring team need, that package is worth more than the 9th overall pick but not by a ton and such a move would require the Jets to make a few trades to balance out of the roster again.

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04-26-2012, 03:53 PM
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Gunnar is way way better than Hainsey he would be a 2nd pair on the Jets. Scheen yeah 3rd on the Jets, Kuli 2nd but 3rd longer term. You are underestimating them a bit there not scrubs.
I don't think they're scrubs at all just that they don't fill any of our needs. The only reason I call them spare parts is because those players (mainly Kulemin and Schenn) seem to appear in nearly every thread that involves Toronto.

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Wow
Kulemin would be a 3rd line LW on our team, unless you think he's better than Ladd and Kane and if that's the case I don't know what to say.

We already have 6 NHL contracts on D, there's no need to make that 8.

The 9th overall would be much better served in a package filling one of our needs (like a #1 C) instead of adding depth where we are already deep.

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04-26-2012, 04:04 PM
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I don't think they're scrubs at all just that they don't fill any of our needs. The only reason I call them spare parts is because those players (mainly Kulemin and Schenn) seem to appear in nearly every thread that involves Toronto.
Well that's a pretty silly way to determine a player's inherent value.


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Kulemin would be a 3rd line LW on our team, unless you think he's better than Ladd and Kane and if that's the case I don't know what to say.

We already have 6 NHL contracts on D, there's no need to make that 8.

The 9th overall would be much better served in a package filling one of our needs (like a #1 C) instead of adding depth where we are already deep.
Well that's fantastic, because nobody is going to give you a package of Schenn, Gunnarsson, Kulemin, et al for solely the 9th overall pick anyways. Good luck with that.

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04-26-2012, 09:02 PM
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I'm on tons of threads asking for Buff

I want him as 2nd line RW power forward.
What would it take??

I've tried many proposals, to no avail. what gets him in blue and white?
What would it take has 2 answers. First of all for Buff to become a legit power forward he needs some directions to the local gym and actually go there once in awhile over the summer, instead of his fishing boat with a case of beer under his arm. He has to avoid jail time for his impaired boating charge from last summer (but maybe that's okay if they have a gym). Second answer, if those things happen and he can be convinced to play forward I would just as soon the Jets keep him...at that point the price would be high as the big guy has a ton of skill and a knack for offence.

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04-26-2012, 09:26 PM
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3rd 2012

What do you guys think ?
Are you effing kidding me? If anything, just to get the JETS to listen, Toronto would be including their 2012 1st round pick, not the other way around and it wouldn't be a flip of picks with Winnipeg. Winnipeg would be keeping the #9 as well.
Some of these proposals are BRUTAL!!!!

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04-26-2012, 09:39 PM
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Well that's a pretty silly way to determine a player's inherent value.




Well that's fantastic, because nobody is going to give you a package of Schenn, Gunnarsson, Kulemin, et al for solely the 9th overall pick anyways. Good luck with that.




That's perfectly fine by me if nobody would give a package like that for the #9 pick because the JETS likely ARE NOT shopping the pick for parts that are not a clear upgrade in a position of need anyways.

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04-26-2012, 09:43 PM
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Kadri and Schenn has not turned into the players people thought they would. Kadri isn't even on the team... Evander Kane has tremendous value, this is not enough. They'd want a top 6 forward + a pick and a great prospect.
Although I do want evander kane I want the leafs to keep there picks/prospects. Kadri is a "great" prospect, he was ranked 21 on all prospects + he has lit up the nhl and if the leafs were in the playoffs would have stayed with the team later in the season (instead of playing with the marlies getting them into the playoffs)

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04-26-2012, 10:00 PM
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If you want to give Kane away EDM will take him. I would give you Gagner and Hemsky for Kane. He would look really nice with Hall, Eberle, RNH and Yak.
Hall; RNH; Eberle
Kane; whom ever(Lander); Yak

That would be scarey.

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04-26-2012, 10:21 PM
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If you want to give Kane away EDM will take him. I would give you Gagner and Hemsky for Kane. He would look really nice with Hall, Eberle, RNH and Yak.
Hall; RNH; Eberle
Kane; whom ever(Lander); Yak

That would be scarey.
Yeah, we're not giving away Kane.

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04-26-2012, 10:21 PM
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TML-Blake Wheeler
JETS-Clarke Macarthur & Carl Gunnarson

TML-Roberto Luongo
VAN-Nik Kulemin,Jessie Blacker,James Reimer,2nd 2013

TML-David Kreijci
BOS-Tyler Bozak,Matt Frattin,Cody Franson,3rd 2013 &3rd 2014

TML-1st overall
EDM-5th overall,2nd,4th,Jerry D'Amigo

TML-Brayden Schenn,Wayne Simmonds
PHI-Nazem Kadri,Joe Colbrone,Colby Armstrong,Matt Lashoff,3rd

Get rid of Connoly,Lombardi & Komosarek

Sign-Shultz 3 years 7 million
Sign Semin 2 years 8.5 million
IN 2 YEARS-
LUPUL-KREIJCI-KESSEL YAKUPOV-B.SCHENN-KESSEL
SEMIN-GRABOVSKI-WHEELER LUPUL-KREIJCI-SEMIN
SIMMONDS-B.SCHENN-YAKUPOV SIMMONDS-GRABO-WHEELER
CRABB-STECKEL-BROWN ROSEHILL-STECKEL-BROWN

PHANEUF-LILES L.SCHENN-GARDINER
SCHULTZ-GARDINER PHANEUF-SCHULTZ
SCHENN-HOLZER LILES-HOLZER

LUONGO LUONGO
SCRIVENS SCRIVENS

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maybe hainsey for kadri and schenn

leafs have nothing that could get kane

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04-26-2012, 11:09 PM
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Abunch of 2nd and 3rd tier players and picks for Kane and a top 10 pick is embarrassing.

Equally embarrassing are the homers who try to defend the "value" of it ... Lol at you Leafers.

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04-27-2012, 12:14 AM
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TML-Blake Wheeler
JETS-Clarke Macarthur & Carl Gunnarson

TML-Roberto Luongo
VAN-Nik Kulemin,Jessie Blacker,James Reimer,2nd 2013

TML-David Kreijci
BOS-Tyler Bozak,Matt Frattin,Cody Franson,3rd 2013 &3rd 2014

TML-1st overall
EDM-5th overall,2nd,4th,Jerry D'Amigo

TML-Brayden Schenn,Wayne Simmonds
PHI-Nazem Kadri,Joe Colbrone,Colby Armstrong,Matt Lashoff,3rd
None of those are even close. Do you really think throwing in a larger quantity of scrubs improves the value as seen by the other team, from which you're expecting an impact player in return?

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04-27-2012, 12:16 AM
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TML-Blake Wheeler
JETS-Clarke Macarthur & Carl Gunnarson

TML-Roberto Luongo
VAN-Nik Kulemin,Jessie Blacker,James Reimer,2nd 2013

TML-David Kreijci
BOS-Tyler Bozak,Matt Frattin,Cody Franson,3rd 2013 &3rd 2014

TML-1st overall
EDM-5th overall,2nd,4th,Jerry D'Amigo

TML-Brayden Schenn,Wayne Simmonds
PHI-Nazem Kadri,Joe Colbrone,Colby Armstrong,Matt Lashoff,3rd

Get rid of Connoly,Lombardi & Komosarek

Sign-Shultz 3 years 7 million
Sign Semin 2 years 8.5 million
IN 2 YEARS-
LUPUL-KREIJCI-KESSEL YAKUPOV-B.SCHENN-KESSEL
SEMIN-GRABOVSKI-WHEELER LUPUL-KREIJCI-SEMIN
SIMMONDS-B.SCHENN-YAKUPOV SIMMONDS-GRABO-WHEELER
CRABB-STECKEL-BROWN ROSEHILL-STECKEL-BROWN

PHANEUF-LILES L.SCHENN-GARDINER
SCHULTZ-GARDINER PHANEUF-SCHULTZ
SCHENN-HOLZER LILES-HOLZER

LUONGO LUONGO
SCRIVENS SCRIVENS

Please just stop with this fantasy crap. In the real world you don't trade 1st overall picks for a bits and pieces and players like Schenn and Simmonds for spare parts. Also you can't sign a player to a $7m elc. Use your time more.constructively and go learn how things work in reality or better still go ask daddy to buy you a bicycle.


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This is very doable.
MacArthur and Armstrong/Connolly for Miettinen and a 4th?

MacArthur is the best player, but we also take on one of those contracts. The biggest asset the Leafs gain is cap space.

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aas a leaf fan i respectfully decline. Kane isnt a massive need, and Kulemin essentially has the exact same tools as Kane, its just a matter of him living up to those expectations or not.

Definitely not ready to give up on Kule.

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04-27-2012, 10:45 AM
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Look I understand that kane had a break out year this year and I also know he is a very valuable asset but what if he dips and scores 15 next year similar to what happend to kulimen. I know kane is much younger so its not an exact comparison but dont tell me the trade is horrible. We can check back halfway through next season to see if schenn and kuley bounce back from this years rough season. If they do bounce back and put up similar stats to last year this trade and the percieved values change completely. Now if Kane goes out an pots 40 and puts up 80 pts then the trade changes again lol it works both ways.
Just stop! I am sure the consensus that you will find is that it is a terrible trade for the Jets.

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If you want to give Kane away EDM will take him. I would give you Gagner and Hemsky for Kane. He would look really nice with Hall, Eberle, RNH and Yak.
Hall; RNH; Eberle
Kane; whom ever(Lander); Yak

That would be scarey.
Jets counter with Antropov and Little for Hall.


You know that anger you are feeling reading that stupid trade proposal....that's just what I had to go through reading yours.

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aas a leaf fan i respectfully decline. Kane isnt a massive need, and Kulemin essentially has the exact same tools as Kane, its just a matter of him living up to those expectations or not.

Definitely not ready to give up on Kule.
BWAAAAAHAHAHAHA!

Go look at the list of 20 year olds that have scored 30 goals. It's a pretty elite club.


"Kulemin essentially has the exact same tools as Kane" - only if we are talking about their garages.

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04-27-2012, 12:35 PM
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MacArthur and Armstrong/Connolly for Miettinen and a 4th?

MacArthur is the best player, but we also take on one of those contracts. The biggest asset the Leafs gain is cap space.
if it were connolly i think the burke would do it in a second. macarthur has value imo and has played well but burke could clear $7+ million. i would assume he would just buyout miettinene. the buyout is $300,000 for one year and $500,000 for the next which is nothing. that $7 million could definitely be better spent somewhere else and i think most people are confident that whatever macarthur can do kadri can do as well. i also think that connolly even though hasnt done anything in toronto, it could pay off big for for winnipeg. he only has 1 year left so there is very little committment and he might revive his career in the peg.

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If you want to give Kane away EDM will take him. I would give you Gagner and Hemsky for Kane. He would look really nice with Hall, Eberle, RNH and Yak.
Hall; RNH; Eberle
Kane; whom ever(Lander); Yak

That would be scarey.
What would be really scary is if someone could count the number of threads;posts Oiler fans have made about trading Gagner!

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aas a leaf fan i respectfully decline. Kane isnt a massive need, and Kulemin essentially has the exact same tools as Kane, its just a matter of him living up to those expectations or not.

Definitely not ready to give up on Kule.


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I would do the

MacArthur
Connolly

for

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4th

Obviously the Jets are getting the better player, however Toronto gets around 7 million in cap space, which can be served trying to sign a big free agent or picking up Luongo while not hurting their core at all.

Miettinen is servicable and has been much better at the tail end of the season. Also the buyout option for toronto is stong as well.

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I would do the

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4th

Obviously the Jets are getting the better player, however Toronto gets around 7 million in cap space, which can be served trying to sign a big free agent or picking up Luongo while not hurting their core at all.

Miettinen is servicable and has been much better at the tail end of the season. Also the buyout option for toronto is stong as well.
so deal? i get the papers faxed over

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