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04-24-2012, 05:20 PM
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Wonder what these teams are. 4 is a very narrow list, but he has earned it.

TB, NJ, ?, ?.
My guess is TBL, FLA, NJ... Can't honestly think of the last one... I don't see anyone else taking him, but I guess he would be cool with moving to CAR... but with Wardo there, and imo, Wardo being the better goalie, it would just never happen.

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04-24-2012, 05:20 PM
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My respect for Luongo just went up a few notch for his professionalism. A rather smart move by him. The difficulty for Vancouver is finding a taker.

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Gimme a break, Luongo could have easily came out and caused a huge stir, called out the org, and become a huge distraction in the playoffs.

Instead he went the classy route, supported schneider, and said literally everything the right way
Boston fans should know first-hand just how hard it is for Luongo to do that.

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04-24-2012, 05:21 PM
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I see him waiving for Vancouver, but I am not sure Vancouver wants someone like him whose watermark is probably 20-25 goals. They need a 30-35 scorer.

Thts fine because Malone isn't a salary dump and won't be included. If luongo comes to Tampa, I'd be SHOCKED if Ohlund wasn't going the other way as the salary dump.

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blockbuster right hurr

Luongo
Kesler
Edler
for
Lecavalier
Hedman
1st
I was actually talking to a buddy about a trade like that going down. It COULD happen. Not likely, but crazier things have happened.

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04-24-2012, 05:21 PM
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True, but I also expect MG to have input on that list. The other assumption is that this list is comprised of what Lou wants without outside input. If he's a "team guy" I don't expect that to be the case.
Team guy or not, if that team no longer wants Luongo, his primary interest has to be his own. You don't really think that just to be a "team guy" he'd agree to be traded somewhere he absolutely doesn't want to play, do you?

If Vancouver has made it clear they no longer want him, Luongo should work to be sent to a team where he wants to go. He's being enough of a "team guy" by agreeing to leave at all.

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You're forgetting that he didn't have to waive at all. He didn't have to provide any options. And, he's on record that he wouldn't thwart attempts to make the team better, even if it means he has to leave.


This is nothing but good IMO. He's taken a mature approach to the whole situation when really he could have shut everything down. The fact there are more teams on his list, even as public rumour mongering, bodes well also. He's providing his GM options instead of forcing him to deal with a single team.
Well, yes, a list of 4 teams is a lot better than only one.

It's also a helluva lot worse than a list of 29. Or 20. Or 10.

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If the only offer on the table was to take on Lecavalier's contract, I'd rather trade Schneider. And I'm a HUGE Schneider fan.

I doubt MG will trade Kesler or Edler anyways.
Good grief, I thought that proposal was a joke. It was a serious suggestion?


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04-24-2012, 05:24 PM
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With a contract until he's 43, Luongo isn't a perfect fit for anyone.
I disagree.

Let's just say there are a couple budget teams down the road. Teams like the Islanders or even the Avs of this year.

Teams can trade these guys with low salaries but high cap hits (1.0 million salary/5.3 million cap hit in Luongo's final years) to teams that need to be at the cap floor. In exchange, those teams basically gain a player who boosts their team salary without having to pay that much salary. In effect, that teams only pays 1.0 million to put 5.6 million on their cap space.

So one team can reap the benefits of a long-term contract now by having a stellar player for an affordable cap hit. And then in the final years when they aren't as useful, they could just package him up with maybe a draft pick to a team that need to be at the cap floor. A team that is rebuilding or is on a budget.

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My prediction:

Only one of them will be with Vancouver next year.

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Well, yes, a list of 4 teams is a lot better than only one.

It's also a helluva lot worse than a list of 29. Or 20. Or 10.

It's a middle ground. Going from a situation where the NTC was ironclad to a more pliable scenario. It was never going to be 29 teams.


He not only waived, but if the rumours are to be believed, was open to a list and not one team in particular. These are good things and speak well to his character.

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I think you need to define "high". There are some saying TO's 1st. Thats the 5th overall pick!! Not a chance that happens.
Luongo alone is worth a top 5 pick. It's his contract that brings him down. For a contending team that wants to win right now it's great, cause they get a top 5 goalie in the league for 5.333 cap hit. For a rebuilding team, it's a 10-year deal with lots of money still on it.

As I said though, some posters will be surprised to see what Luongo will garner back in a trade if he is indeed asked to waive his no-trade. It's too bad the Isles have DP locked down for so long, Luongo would bring them back to respectability.

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04-24-2012, 05:32 PM
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Thts fine because Malone isn't a salary dump and won't be included. If luongo comes to Tampa, I'd be SHOCKED if Ohlund wasn't going the other way as the salary dump.
My post wasn't intended to insult Malone.

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04-24-2012, 05:32 PM
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Luongo alone is worth a top 5 pick. It's his contract that brings him down. For a contending team that wants to win right now it's great, cause they get a top 5 goalie in the league for 5.333 cap hit. For a rebuilding team, it's a 10-year deal with lots of money still on it.

As I said though, some posters will be surprised to see what Luongo will garner back in a trade if he is indeed asked to waive his no-trade. It's too bad the Isles have DP locked down for so long, Luongo would bring them back to respectability.
Yeah the posters that will be surprised what he brings back in a trade will be the ones thinking he will bring back anything significant.

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Columbus: Roberto Luongo + 1st (25th overall)

Vancouver: Rich Nash

What say you?

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Good grief, I thought this proposal was a joke. It was a serious suggestion?
I would never make a serious canucks proposal, and Vinny would never waive...still better some other proposals on here. There's worse things then Lecavalier as your number 2 center, look at his playoff chart and compare to Kesler. His contract is 2 years shorter the Lou's so I dont see how it can be considered any worse then his, pretty even imo.Oh and Edler is much better then Hedman to whoever said it was even...but Hedman might be better before his contract is up

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can't wait to see Luongo in a Hawks sweater. Counting the days.

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@tsnjamesduthie Contrary to some Twitter talk, Luongo has not submitted a list of teams to the Canucks.
I'm just quoting this because its clear that people missed it.

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Yeah the posters that will be surprised what he brings back in a trade will be the ones thinking he will bring back anything significant.
Time will tell, my friend.

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It's a middle ground. Going from a situation where the NTC was ironclad to a more pliable scenario. It was never going to be 29 teams.


He not only waived, but if the rumours are to be believed, was open to a list and not one team in particular. These are good things and speak well to his character.
Absolutely. I said nothing about his character.

All I'm saying is 4 teams is quite restrictive. Logic tells me that if he's open to 10 or 15 teams, the bidding (if there is any) would be driven up considerably more than if only 4 were involved. That would hold true if he listed 8 teams instead of 4.

Trying to make it simple - the fewer the teams, the less competition, the lower the price. 4 is a lot better than 1 but it's still not very many to choose from, especially if that list includes teams that aren't interested.

All of which is moot, apparently, since it's now reported he hasn't presented a list, anyway.

I will say one thing - have to give the guy props for having more threads in more forums than any player I can think of in a while!

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It's not up to you or where you think he's going to go, get off your high horse.
You don't know who I am, do you? I may be an NHL insider. I might be a professional masseuse, I also might be an actor on M*A*S*H, you just don't know.

Are you an expert?

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Absolutely. I said nothing about his character.

All I'm saying is 4 teams is quite restrictive. Logic tells me that if he's open to 10 or 15 teams, the bidding (if there is any) would be driven up considerably more than if only 4 were involved. That would hold true if he listed 8 teams instead of 4.

Trying to make it simple - the fewer the teams, the less competition, the lower the price. 4 is a lot better than 1 but it's still not very many to choose from, especially if that list includes teams that aren't interested.

All of which is moot, apparently, since it's now reported he hasn't presented a list, anyway.

I will say one thing - have to give the guy props for having more threads in more forums than any player I can think of in a while!


My scenario compares 4 to 1 team. Or rather, 4 to none. That's what I'm commenting on. Obviously, more would be better. It's just not very realistic to begin with.


So again, from the point of view I'm looking at, 4 to none is pretty good. That is the logic behind the perception.


Edit: Oh, and if he's openly willing to waive, he'll have to present a list anyways. But I'm sure he'll hash that out with MG.

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Absolutely. I said nothing about his character.

All I'm saying is 4 teams is quite restrictive. Logic tells me that if he's open to 10 or 15 teams, the bidding (if there is any) would be driven up considerably more than if only 4 were involved. That would hold true if he listed 8 teams instead of 4.

Trying to make it simple - the fewer the teams, the less competition, the lower the price. 4 is a lot better than 1 but it's still not very many to choose from, especially if that list includes teams that aren't interested.

All of which is moot, apparently, since it's now reported he hasn't presented a list, anyway.

I will say one thing - have to give the guy props for having more threads in more forums than any player I can think of in a while!
I have to give props to the hfmembers that aren't bashing him either. How times have change.

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Are you an expert?
Nope and thats why I don't make absolute statements like you do.

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Absolutely. I said nothing about his character.

All I'm saying is 4 teams is quite restrictive. Logic tells me that if he's open to 10 or 15 teams, the bidding (if there is any) would be driven up considerably more than if only 4 were involved. That would hold true if he listed 8 teams instead of 4.

Trying to make it simple - the fewer the teams, the less competition, the lower the price. 4 is a lot better than 1 but it's still not very many to choose from, especially if that list includes teams that aren't interested.

All of which is moot, apparently, since it's now reported he hasn't presented a list, anyway.

I will say one thing - have to give the guy props for having more threads in more forums than any player I can think of in a while!
The "4 teams" report was shot down by James Duthie.

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Oh, please hockey gods, get him to Toronto.

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The "4 teams" report was shot down by James Duthie.

It was shot down, but the scenario isn't that far off IMO. Eventually, he'll pick out 4-5 teams in the east and it will be enough. Just as long as he's not set on going to a specific team...

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