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04-26-2012, 01:05 PM
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Downie could have been a Leaf

•Damien Cox of the Toronto Star: At the trade deadline, the Maple Leafs were given a choice between 24-year old Steve Downie (a RFA looking for more than $3 million)

Anyone else surprised Burke chose Ashton over Downie?

Ashton is a good prospect and everything and could turn out to be a decent 2nd/3rd liner, but Downie already is that and seems to be exactly the kind of player Burke would covet. He's also only 24, so he fits right into the make-up of this young Leaf team.

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Burke doesnt like rats

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Since when does Cox have any inside information?
I call BS.

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EDIT: •Damien Cox of the Toronto Star: At the trade deadline, the Maple Leafs were given a choice between 24-year old Steve Downie (a RFA looking for more than $3 million) or 20-year old Carter Ashton for defenseman Keith Aulie.

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I would have HAPPILY taken Steve Downie over Ashton.

It's one thing to be a bad team, it's quite another to be a bad team and get embarrassed physically every night. Downie is a psychopath on skates. He'd have gone a long way in changing that.

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I'm biased - I like Downie.

Hate playing against him, love playing with him.

Too early to judge Ashton, but he's not exactly one that is thrilling/exciting people with his flashes of brilliance. Went anonymous large stretches of games after the deadline. Again - being unfair on the kid, just making a point

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Downie was already gone to the Avs well before the deadline and apparently that Ashton deal came from conversations on deadline day.

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I would have HAPPILY taken Steve Downie over Ashton.

It's one thing to be a bad team, it's quite another to be a bad team and get embarrassed physically every night. Downie is a psychopath on skates. He'd have gone a long way in changing that.
couple reasons IMO

1. we have a super pest coming up, brad ross. he even fights, brings more size, and is pretty similar to downie.

2. we have a clear lack of big body fwds, and ashton's development has been right on track, and he plays a relatively strong cycle game that fits carlyles style.

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if it's true I'm glad he made the choice he did

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Unless Burke was given this choice before February 27th, 2012 there is no way Downie was offered on the deadline day itself because he had been traded to Colorado a few days before. So Cox's should at least get facts like that right before writting something.

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I don't want Downie on this team.

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No thanks. I have higher hopes for Ashton then a Steve Downie type.

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couple reasons IMO

1. we have a super pest coming up, brad ross. he even fights, brings more size, and is pretty similar to downie.

2. we have a clear lack of big body fwds, and ashton's development has been right on track, and he plays a relatively strong cycle game that fits carlyles style.
1 - How far away is Ross from the NHL? It's cool that some people around here can simply name prospect's names without knowing anything about them.

2 - In order to be a tougher team to play against, you don't necessarily need bigger players. But tougher players. On nights when Darcy Tucker was on his game, the Leafs all looked a few inches bigger than when he wasn't in the lineup.

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I would have loved Downie but Ashton seems like a solid prospect as well.

I don't blame Burke for going with the younger 'not a head case' prospect.

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Since when does Cox have any inside information?
I call BS.
He's actually on pretty good terms with Burke.

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Ashton's offensive upside is so much higher then Downie's. Don't have room for Downie right now either. Where would he have played?

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we definitely don't need Downie who supposedly wants 3M+ per season when we have a guy like Brad Ross in our system.

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Downie was traded Feb 21st, 6 days before Aulie for Ashton happened. I know not all trades are talked about the day they are done, but this seems a bit out there.

Maybe Burke offered Aulie for Downie and TB went with the other offer, but kept Aulie in the back of their mind.

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To begin with, the trade didn't make much sense to me.

I've got nothing against Ashton.

I just don't understand why we would have traded Aulie, then, for another prospect, full well knowing that we would be heavily invested in the trade market this off-season.

For example - could we not use Aulie in any prospective deal for Luongo? He's a marketable asset; a young shut down Dman, with plenty of upside. We should have kept him, and used him NOW in order to improve the gaping holes in our lineup.

I'm sorry, but a 24 year old winger is not one of the biggest gaping holes in our lineup

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I would love to have a downie type of player in the lineup. He brings quality pretty much nobody wearing the maple leaf last season had. I agree completely with the Tucker comparison someone already mentioned. Wasn't huge, but put his body on the line and made everyone around him play bigger. One of those hate to play against him and loved to have him on your team guys

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Downie would look good on grabos wing.
Mac on the 3rd line with 2 of Kadri, Colborne, Frattin would have been decent.


No knock on Ashton. I like Aulie, but it was the right move to get a similar value prospect up front; when we were so bloated on the backend.

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No thanks. I have higher hopes for Ashton then a Steve Downie type.
that makes one of us.

who knows if this is true or not...but if it is, Burke is a tool.

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To begin with, the trade didn't make much sense to me.

I've got nothing against Ashton.

I just don't understand why we would have traded Aulie, then, for another prospect, full well knowing that we would be heavily invested in the trade market this off-season.

For example - could we not use Aulie in any prospective deal for Luongo? He's a marketable asset; a young shut down Dman, with plenty of upside. We should have kept him, and used him NOW in order to improve the gaping holes in our lineup.

I'm sorry, but a 24 year old winger is not one of the biggest gaping holes in our lineup
What Burke did by acquiring Ashton for Aulie was take the strength from the backend, and turned into a forward. We needed size up front, Downie doesn't bring size, he just brings grit. Ashton brings grit, size, and some offensive skill.

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Wasn't Downie the "rat" Burke was referring to in his Colton Orr Presser?

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To begin with, the trade didn't make much sense to me.

I've got nothing against Ashton.

I just don't understand why we would have traded Aulie, then, for another prospect, full well knowing that we would be heavily invested in the trade market this off-season.

For example - could we not use Aulie in any prospective deal for Luongo? He's a marketable asset; a young shut down Dman, with plenty of upside. We should have kept him, and used him NOW in order to improve the gaping holes in our lineup.

I'm sorry, but a 24 year old winger is not one of the biggest gaping holes in our lineup
Does Ashton have a NTC?

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