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04-28-2012, 01:06 PM
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Thornton and Toews on the same team? No chance

Joe isn't even in the market

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The overrating of Sharp continues, in Chicago.

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I think Sharp is tradable. He pulls his Houdini for a few games at a time, scores a few, then off to Sharpieville where he floats around aimlessly on the ice. Then poops the bed in the playoffs the last couple years. If we can trade him for some components to make the team better I am all for it. And that is the only way to get him off the point on the PP it seems.....

Also, I would trade Frolik for any combination of boxes of cups/supporters/pucks that are available. Get his ass off the team already.

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04-29-2012, 09:28 PM
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Stop the Sharp for Staal (or anyone) right now. There is no chance the Hawks trade Sharp before he even steps on the ice under his new contract. Especially coming off a very strong regular season. Plus thereís the good locker room guy, media guy, citizen things, which separate him from guys like Carter and Richards. Trading Sharp now would have a material negative impact on how players - current Hawks and future UFAs Ė would view signing with Chicago.

I admit Staal is an intriguing solution to the Hawks 2C, but heís not clearly a better top six fit than Sharp net-net. Itís just a hey-letís-try-something-different move. Besides, the top six with itís current set was highly productive 5x5, only the PP was a problem with that group (e.g. Kaneís PP pts were nearly 20 pts below his career average.) Staal doesnít add anything there over Sharp. The top six can and should be improved, but itís not an overhaul situation.

Iím not against a shakeup trade, but any major move should be done to fix the teamís major problems, which are (IMO): 1) Special teams, 2) Defense (depth, team), 3) Goaltending. Problems like toughness and secondary scoring can be improved internally and with minor moves.

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I would love Staal and would give up Hossa or Sharp or prospects and picks to get him.

A C line-up of
Toews
Staal
Bolland

Is about a solid line-up top to bottom and one of the best defensive C lineups ever.

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I like Sharp but I think I move him before Hossa for Staal. Not sure at this point I'd actually do that, but for the sake of conversation of the two I think I stick with Hossa.

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How many people don't know that Sharp has a NMC?


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Sharps new contract hasn't even started... we could trade him before july 1st.

right now, Sharp has no NTC or NMC

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05-02-2012, 12:34 AM
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Sharps new contract hasn't even started... we could trade him before july 1st.

right now, Sharp has no NTC or NMC
And if the Hawks use that window they will pay a huge price down the road. There is no magical trade to improve the hawks that has to include Sharp. Sharp is fairly valued around the league and it's foolish to think that you are going to get more back. He works here. But trading him before the new contact kicks in would be a new low in it's-a-business. A dirtbag move, he has his NMC and it should be de facto in place.

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Clearly, trading/firing everyone not named Jonathan Toews for a lot of news guys is the only solution. New player/staff smell is the best.


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How many people don't know that Sharp has a NMC?

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05-02-2012, 03:15 AM
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And if the Hawks use that window they will pay a huge price down the road. There is no magical trade to improve the hawks that has to include Sharp. Sharp is fairly valued around the league and it's foolish to think that you are going to get more back. He works here. But trading him before the new contact kicks in would be a new low in it's-a-business. A dirtbag move, he has his NMC and it should be de facto in place.
Didn't San Jose do that last summer? Sign Seteguchi to a new deal then ship him out the next day? This wouldn't be as bad.

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05-02-2012, 05:21 AM
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And if the Hawks use that window they will pay a huge price down the road. There is no magical trade to improve the hawks that has to include Sharp. Sharp is fairly valued around the league and it's foolish to think that you are going to get more back. He works here. But trading him before the new contact kicks in would be a new low in it's-a-business. A dirtbag move, he has his NMC and it should be de facto in place.
1. I never said trade him
2. If you read here about this, you know that I say Sharp will stay and won't get traded
3. All I did was saying that the statement "Sharp has a NMC" is WRONG
4. This happens. Carter signed a longtime contract just to get traded and ask Setoguchi about this....

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Sign Suter as a free agent...

then trade Seabrooke for Staal.

No Suter, no trade.

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I have a feeling we'll see some "[CHI/MTL]" in thread titles in the Trade Rumors and Free Agent Talk forum on here.

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05-02-2012, 08:53 PM
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Sign Suter as a free agent...

then trade Seabrooke for Staal.

No Suter, no trade.
The signing and won't happen and that trade is robbery by Pittsburgh.

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Kane and Saad for Malkin

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Kane and Saad for Malkin
Are we adding Seabrook, McNeill, and a couple first-round picks on top of that? No chance he leaves Pittsburgh.

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Are we adding Seabrook, McNeill, and a couple first-round picks on top of that? No chance he leaves Pittsburgh.
I would.

Sharp-Toews-Morin
Beach-Malkin-Hossa
Bickell-Bolland-Stalberg
Frolik-Kruger-Carcillo

Keith-Sutter
Hjalmarsson-Leddy
Montador-Olsen

Vokuon

I would literally do that next year.

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I would.

Sharp-Toews-Morin
Beach-Malkin-Hossa
Bickell-Bolland-Stalberg
Frolik-Kruger-Carcillo

Keith-Sutter
Hjalmarsson-Leddy
Montador-Olsen

Vokuon

I would literally do that next year.
You would literally get fired before October.

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05-02-2012, 10:27 PM
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1st,Morin,Stalberg for Plekanec

Montador, Bickell for Neil from Ottawa

Sharp-Toews-Kane
Saad-Plekanec-Hossa
Kruger-Bolland-Neil
Shaw-Slater-Burish

Keith-Olsen
Seabrook-Leddy
Jackman-Hammer


Emery
Crawford

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05-02-2012, 10:49 PM
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You would literally get fired before October.
Why?

I replace Brunette with Morin. Do you think Morin would have less of an impact over 82 games than Brunette last year? Do you think Morin couldn't get 12 goals and 27 points next year?

Beach is a necessity. He provides the tougness, hits, and intensity that this team sorely lacks. Imagine what would have happened to the Yotes if Beach was on the ice after Torres' illegal hit.

3rd line is good.

4th line has our 2nd line center from last year. Carcillo, a spark plug that guys on the team gravitate to, and Frolik, an enigma.

Keith-Suter. Awesome.

Bottom 4, same as last season.

Vokoun is miles better than Crawford.

All in all, troll comments like yours are unnecessary on a board with as much prestige as this one.

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Why?

I replace Brunette with Morin. Do you think Morin would have less of an impact over 82 games than Brunette last year? Do you think Morin couldn't get 12 goals and 27 points next year?

Beach is a necessity. He provides the tougness, hits, and intensity that this team sorely lacks. Imagine what would have happened to the Yotes if Beach was on the ice after Torres' illegal hit.

3rd line is good.

4th line has our 2nd line center from last year. Carcillo, a spark plug that guys on the team gravitate to, and Frolik, an enigma.

Keith-Suter. Awesome.

Bottom 4, same as last season.

Vokoun is miles better than Crawford.

All in all, troll comments like yours are unnecessary on a board with as much prestige as this one.
The forward depth is pretty pathetic, especially with you so gladly shipping out a few thousand first round picks. The D was terrible this year... why is the same bottom 4 considered a good thing?

Vokoun may never be effective again. He was bad this season and sustained an injury that can very well hamper the on-ice performance of a guy as old as him.

And then you also traded the face of the franchise, a #1 defenseman, the Hawks' two best prospects, etc. for Malkin.

Also, Beach and Morin have proven absolutely nothing in the AHL. You can't just gift them spots... Morin, at least, has an excuse, since his development has been a bit derailed by injuries. But Beach isn't even particularly noticeable in the AHL, and you'd have him playing top-6 minutes for what you seem to believe is a contending team. Morin ain't much better than that, either.
No. That's pretty terrible. Sevanston had it right.

You weren't trolled. Your scenario would result in the GM being fired before he could even make any of those moves.

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The forward depth is pretty pathetic, especially with you so gladly shipping out a few thousand first round picks. The D was terrible this year... why is the same bottom 4 considered a good thing?

Vokoun may never be effective again. He was bad this season and sustained an injury that can very well hamper the on-ice performance of a guy as old as him.

And then you also traded the face of the franchise, a #1 defenseman, the Hawks' two best prospects, etc. for Malkin.

Also, Beach and Morin have proven absolutely nothing in the AHL. You can't just gift them spots... Morin, at least, has an excuse, since his development has been a bit derailed by injuries. But Beach isn't even particularly noticeable in the AHL, and you'd have him playing top-6 minutes for what you seem to believe is a contending team. Morin ain't much better than that, either.
No. That's pretty terrible. Sevanston had it right.

You weren't trolled. Your scenario would result in the GM being fired before he could even make any of those moves.
I find it funny how you guys include the likes of Morin or McNeill in deals for elite NHL players, but when I plug Morin into a line with Toews and Sharp you say "Morin have proven absolutely nothing in the AHL. You can't just gift them spots". I guess that's why these 29 other NHL teams won't trade one of their elite players for Morin and a 1st.

The face of our franchise is Toews.
Keith is our #1 defenseman.
Prospects mean as about as much in the NHL as in the MLB, in other words, a crapshoot.

Hawks 1st round picks since 2000:
2000-Yakubov, Varobiev
2001-Ruutu, Monro
2002-Babchuk
2003-Seabrook
2004-Barker
2005-Skille
2006-Toews (3rd overall)
2007-Kane (1st overall)
2008-Beach
2009-Olsen
2010-Kayes
2011-McNeill, Danault

12 years produces Seabrook, Toews, Kane. 2 of those 3 were top 3 picks. The Hawks will never see the top 10 again, let alone the top 3.

So, what's your point?

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1. I never said trade him
2. If you read here about this, you know that I say Sharp will stay and won't get traded
3. All I did was saying that the statement "Sharp has a NMC" is WRONG
4. This happens. Carter signed a longtime contract just to get traded and ask Setoguchi about this....
My comments weren't directed at you. You noted an important distinction. I was responding to that distinction, which some here wish to exploit.

Carter was traded after playing under his contract (with no NMC it seems) at least, and he gave the team reasons to trade him that don't apply to Sharp. And while I thought the Seto trade was a BS move by Wilson, he was a RFA and no team "offer-sheeted" him (that he signed), so he didn't control his destiny in any event. So yeah, trading Sharp would be a new low.

Sharp could be an UFA right now, with little trade value and more leverage, but he extended in good faith. That should be honored. I can't believe how obtuse a good chunk of this fanbase is.

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I find it funny how you guys include the likes of Morin or McNeill in deals for elite NHL players, but when I plug Morin into a line with Toews and Sharp you say "Morin have proven absolutely nothing in the AHL. You can't just gift them spots". I guess that's why these 29 other NHL teams won't trade one of their elite players for Morin and a 1st.

The face of our franchise is Toews.
Keith is our #1 defenseman.
Prospects mean as about as much in the NHL as in the MLB, in other words, a crapshoot.

Hawks 1st round picks since 2000:
2000-Yakubov, Varobiev
2001-Ruutu, Monro
2002-Babchuk
2003-Seabrook
2004-Barker
2005-Skille
2006-Toews (3rd overall)
2007-Kane (1st overall)
2008-Beach
2009-Olsen
2010-Kayes
2011-McNeill, Danault

12 years produces Seabrook, Toews, Kane. 2 of those 3 were top 3 picks. The Hawks will never see the top 10 again, let alone the top 3.

So, what's your point?
If you watched any games last year Seabrook is now our #1 d man.

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