I think that the criticism Getzlaf's been getting in the WC is overblown. He was one of the best players in Team Canada, and was the leading forward in points along with Tavares. He played a good game against the Slovaks and did the work on Kane's goal.
The kneeing wasn't a goon move, he clearly didn't intend for it to happen and the guy he hit is partly at fault for making a last minute move like that, but it was a careless and dangerous play, and the penalty was well deserved. Still, he had a good tournament overall.
A couple of seasons? Sure, if you have some irrational dislike of him. He's had one subpar season. Every other season he was over a point per game, and one of the top centers in the league.
I've been watching Ducks a lot in recent years (Teemu bandwagon) and Getzlaf seems to be gettign worse and worse ever year. Sure, he's able to put up points at ppg with Perry and good PP(and Teemu ) but he could do so much better. His shifts are increasingly lazy, too long, he tries to make fancy passes too often instead of a simple pass, resulting in turnovers, he takes far too many stupid penalties not to mention his defense and backchecking is woeful as well for a supposedly top 5 center in the league. Claude Giroux>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Ryan Getzlaf.
Getzlaf could play better sure (and he needs to along with everyone else) but the team does not have the depth it did earlier in his career compared to when you're mostly a 1 line team at times. Let's also not forget his line along with Perry and Ryan was hands down considered the best line in hockey as recent as last year so it's not like he's been noticeably bad over that stretch either (save this year).
I've been watching Ducks a lot in recent years (Teemu bandwagon) and Getzlaf seems to be gettign worse and worse ever year. Sure, he's able to put up points at ppg with Perry and good PP(and Teemu ) but he could do so much better. His shifts are increasingly lazy, too long, he tries to make fancy passes too often instead of a simple pass, resulting in turnovers, he takes far too many stupid penalties not to mention his defense and backchecking is woeful as well for a supposedly top 5 center in the league. Claude Giroux>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Ryan Getzlaf.
What? Where did that come from? What does Giroux have to do with Getzlaf?
Getzlaf could play better sure (and he needs to along with everyone else) but the team does not have the depth it did earlier in his career compared to when you're mostly a 1 line team at times. Let's also not forget his line along with Perry and Ryan was hands down considered the best line in hockey as recent as last year so it's not like he's been noticeably bad over that stretch either (save this year).
For sure. Getz's line has been the only reliable scoring line the past few years, while being the principle shutdown line.
I've been watching Ducks a lot in recent years (Teemu bandwagon) and Getzlaf seems to be gettign worse and worse ever year. Sure, he's able to put up points at ppg with Perry and good PP(and Teemu ) but he could do so much better. His shifts are increasingly lazy, too long, he tries to make fancy passes too often instead of a simple pass, resulting in turnovers, he takes far too many stupid penalties not to mention his defense and backchecking is woeful as well for a supposedly top 5 center in the league. Claude Giroux>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Ryan Getzlaf.
Okay, first off, what does Giroux have to do with this? No one is claiming Getzlaf played like a top 5 center this season, and prior to this season Getzlaf was definitely the better of the two.
As for Getzlaf seemingly getting worse and worse... based on what? Because the stats certainly don't support it. Getzlaf relies far more on his even strength points than he does PP points, which certainly can't be said of Teemu, who is usually closer to 50/50 on that count. His defensive game has consistently been pretty good. Not Selke-worthy, but definitely good enough considering he consistently faced the opposing team's top lines. Furthermore, his points per game last season was better than the season before, and Perry's production increased quite a bit when Getzlaf returned to the line-up, which was a big part of Perry winning the Hart.
Yes, Getzlaf makes mistakes at times, and so does everyone else. For all the talk of his cute passes that lead to turnovers, that tends to go with a pass-first player like him. When you can execute difficult passes as often as he can, there are going to be times you look pretty stupid when you don't get the puck to your intended target. It's not altogether different from when we had Giguere in net. He'd make a lot of saves look easy, because of the way he played between the pipes, but there were times he looked ridiculous when he was beaten cleanly on shots, or off his angle a bit.
I see nothing to suggest Getzlaf has consistently regressed every season. Everything suggests he had one bad season.
I think that the criticism Getzlaf's been getting in the WC is overblown. He was one of the best players in Team Canada, and was the leading forward in points along with Tavares. He played a good game against the Slovaks and did the work on Kane's goal.
The kneeing wasn't a goon move, he clearly didn't intend for it to happen and the guy he hit is partly at fault for making a last minute move like that, but it was a careless and dangerous play, and the penalty was well deserved. Still, he had a good tournament overall.
I agree with this. He got better as the tournament went on but unfortunately the kneeing penalty happened. It shouldn't take away from him being one of the better Canadian players in the tournament. I also thought he was significantly better than Perry in the tournament.
Okay, first off, what does Giroux have to do with this? No one is claiming Getzlaf played like a top 5 center this season, and prior to this season Getzlaf was definitely the better of the two.
Take a look at how Giroux plays and tell me if Getzlaf played like that, the Ducks would not bet a better team. Giroux plays full out, "does everything", and he's much smaller than Getzlaf who plays like a lazy bum most of the time. Seriously, I'm astonished you people are so forgiving of his play. If someone on Team Finland or my club favorite team Helsinki Jokerit played with Getzlaf's attitude, the fans would riot. People here look far too much at points instead of the overall play of the player. On the other hand, this is HFBoards...
Take a look at how Giroux plays and tell me if Getzlaf played like that, the Ducks would not bet a better team. Giroux plays full out, "does everything", and he's much smaller than Getzlaf who plays like a lazy bum most of the time. Seriously, I'm astonished you people are so forgiving of his play. If someone on Team Finland or my club favorite team Helsinki Jokerit played with Getzlaf's attitude, the fans would riot. People here look far too much at points instead of the overall play of the player. On the other hand, this is HFBoards...
And I think you're looking too hard to try to find faults in Getzlaf's play, because of some irrational dislike you have towards him. I also don't find it necessary to make backhanded comments towards Anaheim fans who post on here, because you disagree with their opinion. Your entire argument seems to be focused on things you can't quantify, while brushing off the things that you can... such as points.
I also find it rather ironic how you're criticizing Getzlaf for lacking an "overall game" when you beam about Selanne, who is quite a bit more one-dimensional in the way he plays.
I'll be the first to say Getzlaf was a steaming pile of **** this year.
But 4+ years of great play and 1 year of crap seem to indicate a fluke. Dude was the most dominant player of the 2009 playoffs besides Malkin. If he plays like **** next season, trade his ass, but I'm not writing him off yet.
I also find it rather ironic how you're criticizing Getzlaf for lacking an "overall game" when you beam about Selanne, who is quite a bit more one-dimensional in the way he plays.
I think that's a bit of an overstatement. One-way? Yes. One-dimensional? I don't think so. Sorry if nitpicking, but the difference is distinct.
Take a look at how Giroux plays and tell me if Getzlaf played like that, the Ducks would not bet a better team. Giroux plays full out, "does everything", and he's much smaller than Getzlaf who plays like a lazy bum most of the time. Seriously, I'm astonished you people are so forgiving of his play. If someone on Team Finland or my club favorite team Helsinki Jokerit played with Getzlaf's attitude, the fans would riot. People here look far too much at points instead of the overall play of the player. On the other hand, this is HFBoards...
As mentioned, nobody said anything about Getzlaf being better than Giroux, so where'd this argument even come from? And Getzlaf's attitude? Elaborate please.
I think that's a bit of an overstatement. One-way? Yes. One-dimensional? I don't think so. Sorry if nitpicking, but the difference is distinct.
Selanne is defined by his offense. To be specific, his scoring(particularly on the PP). Without that offense, what does he bring, beyond experience? I think he's a fairly one-dimensional forward, and I'm fine with that because that one dimension is a good one.
I'll be the first to say Getzlaf was a steaming pile of **** this year.
But 4+ years of great play and 1 year of crap seem to indicate a fluke. Dude was the most dominant player of the 2009 playoffs besides Malkin. If he plays like **** next season, trade his ass, but I'm not writing him off yet.
Trust me, you're not the first. Not even the first in this thread. But yeah I agree, one bad season does not define a player who's played well the rest of his career.
As for Teemu being one dimensional. Lately he's become a better playmaker. No where near his ability as a goalscorer, but it's there.
Here's my theory: It's because the Finnish tabloids have been spewing crap about Getzlaf throughout the tournament for no apparent reason. And as we all know, at least 1/4 of the population is completely retarded, and thus believes every single thing that is written in tabloids about him starting fights with teenagers in night clubs and hitting on some random **** (former miss Finland or something like that?). Because you know, if it says so in the tabloids, it must be 100% true, and exactly what happened, and how it happened.
Then when writing about the games themselves, e.g. the QF loss to Slovakia, said tabloids blame Getzlaf completely for it, and write some crap about how he's a locker room cancer, completely lacks motivation etc. And what do they base this on? Their own BS "articles" from the week before about the night club incident. Again, pretty much everyone in Finland reads these same tabloids (There's only 2 to choose from), and waaay too many people are in fact retarded enough to believe every word in there, and so these tabloids shape the public opinion against Getzlaf here.
Never mind the fact that their journalists apparently never watched more than like 3 Anaheim games this season...
Having said that, it wasn't his best season, that's for sure. But no reason to panic yet, I expect him to bounce back next season.
Here's my theory: It's because the Finnish tabloids have been spewing crap about Getzlaf throughout the tournament for no apparent reason. And as we all know, at least 1/4 of the population is completely retarded, and thus believes every single thing that is written in tabloids about him starting fights with teenagers in night clubs and hitting on some random **** (former miss Finland or something like that?). Because you know, if it says so in the tabloids, it must be 100% true, and exactly what happened, and how it happened.
Then when writing about the games themselves, e.g. the QF loss to Slovakia, said tabloids blame Getzlaf completely for it, and write some crap about how he's a locker room cancer, completely lacks motivation etc. And what do they base this on? Their own BS "articles" from the week before about the night club incident. Again, pretty much everyone in Finland reads these same tabloids (There's only 2 to choose from), and waaay too many people are in fact retarded enough to believe every word in there, and so these tabloids shape the public opinion against Getzlaf here.
Never mind the fact that their journalists apparently never watched more than like 3 Anaheim games this season...
Having said that, it wasn't his best season, that's for sure. But no reason to panic yet, I expect him to bounce back next season.
It seems like the tabloids have replaced their irrational hatred for Carlyle for an irrational hatred for Getzlaf. Which is weird considering Teemu seems to get along really well with Getzlaf and he was one of the few upset at Carlyle being let go.
I also find it rather ironic how you're criticizing Getzlaf for lacking an "overall game" when you beam about Selanne, who is quite a bit more one-dimensional in the way he plays.
No one's expecting strong two-way game from Teemu.
It seems like the tabloids have replaced their irrational hatred for Carlyle for an irrational hatred for Getzlaf. Which is weird considering Teemu seems to get along really well with Getzlaf and he was one of the few upset at Carlyle being let go.
There was nothing irrational about the sports papers attitude towards Carlyle, they know the game more than the stat sheet reporters in the daily papers. They've got more experience in watching the the games than a lot of the posters here have years. All one had to look was the product on the ice. And by the way it wasn't just the papers, just about every Ducks fan at jatkoaika.com boards were equally fed up with Carlyle's coaching and last season with Getzlaf's play. All they were saying (and what my point is) is that he needs to get his **** together on the ice again and be the player he was a couple of years ago.
There was nothing irrational about the sports papers attitude towards Carlyle, they know the game more than the stat sheet reporters in the daily papers. They've got more experience in watching the the games than a lot of the posters here have years.
That's complete BS, it was completely irrational. Carlyle is a Stanley Cup winning coach, he knows what he's doing.
) but he could do so much better. His shifts are increasingly lazy, too long, he tries to make fancy passes too often instead of a simple pass, resulting in turnovers, he takes far too many stupid penalties not to mention his defense and backchecking is woeful as well for a supposedly top 5 center in the league. Claude Giroux>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Ryan Getzlaf.
